Transcript: Lyndon LaRouche Interview With 710KURV

This interview with Radio Retaliation, a product of Open Word News, aired May 2, 2014

JOHN VASQUEZ: You’re listening to 710KURV Radio Retaliation, with the Big Man, RGV, the guy, and I’m John Vasquez, the pamphleteer. We’re back here. We actually have a very interesting individual, a man that I found out about, about over two years ago, and followed some of his work; actually met one of his candidates that’s actually running for the United States Senate here in Texas.

RGVASQUEZ: Yeah, Kesha Rogers, and she was actually nice enough, we’ve had her on the show a couple of times, excited. She’s actually coming back down, to the Rio Grande Valley come next week — I think she’s doing an event in Brownsville, and maybe even stopping in County Commissioner’s Court here in Hidalgo County; we’ll see how that goes.

But she’s an interesting lady. I mean, she has, having RGV guy having had some experience in the energy industry, I was pretty much captivated by her response to how we could actually help out some of the problems we’re having with our drought system here. I know we’ve had some recent speculations and problems here in the Rio Grande Valley, with …

VASQUEZ: Water disappearing, or evaporating.

RGVASQUEZ: Water disappearing, evaporating, or usage, or if our water’s being sold to different areas, all these questionable activities and how to resolve them. So what can I tell you? Radio Retaliation here on 710KURV, a product of

And we’re proud to bring you a special guest, I know a former advisor to President Reagan, and Mr. Lyndon LaRouche. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Mr. LaRouche. How are you today?

LYNDON LAROUCHE: Well, I’m 92 years of age come next September, and I’m still functioning and according to some of my enemies, they regret that very much. But I’m still active here. I have been, of course, a leading [actor] in many things, especially when I was involved and hooked up with the Reagan administration, at its beginning, in launching the Strategic Defense Initiative program, of which I was the author. And we had a lot of support for it. But when we had a Soviet screw-up on this thing, and other things, we lost that case, and that led us into most of the disasters which have come ever since then. And those disasters have been largely Presidents of the United States who’ve made a mess of things!

But now, we’ve come to a very crucial point, and particularly in the Texas campaign: Texas may be the key, to the saving of the United States. And I think people do underestimate how important Texas is, together with California, as two major states in the United States, whose fate may determine the fate of the entire nation as a whole.

VASQUEZ: Yeah, absolutely. California and Texas, they are by far the largest states, obviously, but they also have a large population of people, and so, water is such a key issue, and that’s something that’s been a plague down here, since I can remember, is the lack of water. And there’s always been a drought, and for the life of me, since I’ve been around — I’m 30-plus years old, for the life of me, the only two things I’ve ever heard was, we’re in a conflict somewhere overseas, and we have a drought. Now, those two things, by far, are the most important things; we just had corruption, here in the Valley, with the sheriff, our top cop here in the Rio Grande Valley, or in Hidalgo County…

RGV: He admitted to money laundering.

VASQUEZ: Right! And those are just like small things. But now we’re talking about water, here, where we might not even be able to worry about corruption, ’cause there’s no water — or, war! Nuclear war! I know that’s something that a lot of people laugh at. Can you talk to us a little bit about the water situation, and what Kesha is running on? I know that she’s one of your candidates there. Would you kind of dive into that for us?

LAROUCHE: I can give you some scientific background on this problem, which probably does not get delivered, even though a number of people like Kesha, for example, do know what the score is. But I think around her, there are a lot of people who do not, especially from the opposition, who have no comprehension whatsoever, of what this water problem is, and what can be a solution and what is not.

The point is, first of all, the entire Western United States, except from the borderline with Canada, that entire region from the Mississippi River to the Pacific Ocean, is now already in, a deepening collapse in water. That collapse will be permanent, and increase, unless we take drastic measures by the Federal government, to change certain policies of the United States as a whole, otherwise, we’re going to lose the United States, because of the water crisis. And I can say a lot more about that, but I want to make that point. That’s the clear point to look from.

VASQUEZ: Definitely, definitely.

RGV: You know, one of the things, Mr. LaRouche, that has just been captivating to me, is understanding how energy and water intertwine with each other. We have the capacity and the capability to actually create the ability to have water reservoirs, water systems that conserve, and at the same time create energy. And it amazes me, that we somehow have surpassed that, in the sense that we feel that that’s not important, or these are projects that are not worth investing in. And I was actually disheartened when I spoke to Kesha, in the way that our government has actually handled this, because I realize that the project that she, and I believe that Michael Steger from California are trying to implement, is actually something that’s been on the back burner or almost 50 years, since I believe the Kennedy administration!

And you know, in realizing that, is it really feasible? Is this proposal something that is just not capable, within our grasp because of technology? Or is it really politics and the “good ol’ boy” system?

LAROUCHE: Well, let’s put it — a little thing, the question of whether we can do something about the water system, two points: First of all, under the present water system in the Western United States, there is no solution, under the present system. Therefore, the system has to change.

Now, there used to be a process, a NAWAPA project back in the middle of the 1960s. That project would have worked then, but it will not work now. What’s happened is, there’s been a global change, in the distribution of water throughout the planet. And this shift, now, has brought down — remember, first of all, the very fact that Texas and California, for example, were able to become great powers in terms of economy in the United States, was because of an exceptional condition which developed in the trans-Atlantic region and Pacific region. This allowed us to take areas which have been historically desert areas, like Texas and California, most of California; so these would have been the whole area, west of the Mississippi, have long been a desert! Along came a development, in the development of the Americas as such, in which there was an improvement in the North American section, West of the Mississippi. And improvement was the basis for our colonization of the Western lands of the United States, that is, the area we’re talking about.

Now, that’s gone away, which would mean, now, we’d have to do something else, we have to take artificial methods, which we could create and develop, but we’re not doing it! And that’s the problem. We once had a NAWAPA project, which would have worked then; it will not work today, because the condition is such, you’re not getting the potential water which you would need to apply a simply direct NAWAPA program. Which means, you have to go into higher element operations on a global scale, and we could do that. But this would require a change in policy, by the United States government as a whole, to look at what the solutions are, the actual solutions, and forget all these so-called solutions. For example, there is no state solution. There’s nothing you can do in the state of California as such, which will save California; California is not going to produce food any more! Not significantly. Texas is not going to produce food any more, at least not much.

So therefore, there is no simple solution, under present state policies, but only under national policies and it has to be done, really, on a global scale. We can do it. we can do it! But we’ve got to first of all, stop believing in myths that won’t work, and concentrate on solutions which could be made to work, and there are solutions which can be made to work.

RGV: And that is Mr. Lyndon LaRouche, and you’re listening to KURV710 News Talks Radio. This is Radio Retaliation, a product of You can always go to and catch some of our streams and podcasts. And we are touching base here on water conservation, water solutions, and energy. And good points, Mr. LaRouche. Actually with California, at one time having been the sixth largest economy in the world, and Texas right there behind them, it’s scary that two of the top 10, top 12 largest economies in the world, may not have the means to actually create enough sustainable food for the populations that they keep.

VASQUEZ: Well, they just import the food, then. You know? So, and that’s one of the things I’m looking at, is an attack on farmers, an attack on the small-time growers, people like that, that are just being moved out of the way. Take, for example, the Bundy guy: The BLM, the Bureau of Land Management, went in and basically tried to disrupt his business! And you know, if you’re going to take the small-time farmers out, then you’re making way for these big, big producers, you know, out of China or out of Mexico, and you’re shovelling poor food, not even good nutrition into the community, it’s almost like it’s — it’s almost like a dagger into your own heart! It’s almost like, this is what has been already set in place, for the United States, and for America — for Texas, I would say.

Mr. LaRouche, what would you say to that? Do you believe it’s an intentional thing? I know Kesha has some really good insight in that, but tell us what you think? Do you think it’s an intentional, purposely done thing to lower population or anything like that?

LAROUCHE: Well, there’re a couple of intentions. First of all, there’s an intention to be stupid, that’s the policy of the Federal government. Recently, actually in the history of the United States, since John F. Kennedy was assassinated, there has been no net growth in the actual economy of the United States. What we had, some of the very rich gamblers, like Wall Street crowds, have accumulated a great amount of income. But you notice, that the production capacities, the industries, the agriculture of the United States, in particular, have been declining ever since then. So, the average person in the United States is finding themselves with less and less productive employment, actually productive employment, being reduced to cheap employment, and almost nonproductive employment. So the majority of the population of the United States is being really crushed. They have no options; their options are declining at a rapid rate, so that there’s no way you can fix the existing system, unless you go into changing some features of that system which need to be changed. In other words, we sort of have to go back to what John F. Kennedy was doing: He was President before they assassinated him, and his brother, also, who was going to be — actually was going to be a President of the United States, too, but they assassinated him first!

So the problem is, that we have an inherent, well, it’s actually a planetary problem, of water management. There’s enough water coming through the planet at all times, to solve this problem. But what we have to do is manage the way the water flows, throughout the entire system.

VASQUEZ: Mm-hmm, and that was what NAWAPA was intentionally to move water from regions that get a lot of water, into areas of the country that need water, such as the Midwest, and Texas and California.

LAROUCHE: Yeah. Well, the NAWAPA thing no longer exists, because the flow of the actual sources of water is not enough to start up the NAWAPA system. The NAWAPA system would work if the water were available, on the United States territory. We depend largely on Canada and the United States and Alaska for this potential. But now, the source of water is declining at an accelerating rate, and you could not get a NAWAPA project work, without some kind of big, outside success, beyond what’s there, now. So the point is, there’s no hope inside the United States, as such, now, to prevent the extinction of the Western States of the United States, virtually! So therefore, there are means to deal with that problem, but those means are not on the agenda.

Now, my view on this case of the Texas campaign, Texas and California are the two largest states of the United States. They have been the greatest food producing sections of the United States for some time; they have had a great industrial and technological standpoints. But once the green policy was put in to effect, which began, really, at the end of the 1960s; since the 1960s we have been going green.

VASQUEZ: Mm-hmm, to save the planet.

LAROUCHE: [crosstalk] And the green policy is what has destroyed every means of dealing with the problem, as was accumulating up to now.

But, however, if we go with a thermonuclear-driver program, there are the technologies available, which can be rapidly developed, both in combinations and management and so forth. But you can not manage solutions for any state in the Western states of the United States. There’s no solution for any particular state in the United States. They’re doomed! So how do we reverse that? We have to go to a higher level of operations, and those potentials do exist. They all depend upon cutting out fracking — cancel fracking, immediately throughout the United States!

RGV: You know, that’s a deep concern here, in the area. There have been — at one time, there were speculations, and now there’s been confirmation that certain water districts here in the lower Rio Grande Valley have actually sold their water rights, to locations in north Texas and east Texas. So it’s almost as if, not only are we going through this, but other apportioned areas are actually bargaining and taking advantage of certain areas that are willing to sell their water!

On an energy note, fracking is actually something that’s about to be entertained here in the South Texas region. Just a little bit north of the border, maybe 10 to 15 miles north, they’re looking to start some major projects, and I don’t think they’re taking into consideration other than the profit that might be involved in that.

And, you know, you mentioned that there’s other feasible energy options. And one of the things that I’ve always wondered about, is something that — and I’m a bit of conspiracy nut, some folks tell me — but there’s actually be a theory of, they call it the “thorium conspiracy”; are you familiar with thorium, sir?

LAROUCHE: Yeah, but those are limited things.

RGV: See, what are some of the legitimate options, then, Mr. LaRouche?

LAROUCHE: Yeah, the option is essentially, get rid of the green policy, get rid of fracking first. Because the first thing you’ve got to remove, which will have any solution at all, is get rid of fracking! Throughout the United States. Fracking is destroying the U.S. economy, it’s killing off the population; it’s destroying all possibilities of work and income, agriculture. Fracking must stop, now! And that’s why I say, you can not have just a Texas program, or a California program, to deal with this problem, because, it’s not a state-limited problem.

The problem is, we have factors of policy, which were introduced to the United States, beginning about the 1970s: These policies, which were started before then, but these policies have destroyed the United States, systemically. And during this period, certain developments have occurred, and nothing has been done to correct these things, because Wall Street, in particular, Wall Street and the British Empire, have sufficient influence over the policies of the United States, over the members of the Senate, for example, members of the House of Representatives, for example, they have all, while they vote with one mouth, at one time, they had a completely different intention on what they were doing on the other time.

If you look at the history of U.S. policymaking on the Federal level, you will find that the problem lies there. We had a problem building up which was a natural problem, that the water characteristics of the whole area of the United States, are changing. That we can deal with, with modern scientific methods. But with present methods there is no solution. In other words, under present policies of the U.S. government, there is no solution for this problem. However, if we change the policy of the United States, and if we do that, my view is that, the election campaign in Texas, the purpose of that is essentially, to create the political conditions, together with California, as an alliance, to force the United States government to make those changes, those categorical changes, which will lead to a solution. Without that, there is no solution.

So my view is, you have to win the Texas election, that is for Kesha. You have to win the corresponding election in California. If you can win those two things, during this period of elections, we can turn the whole thing around. Without that, there’s no solution.

VASQUEZ: [break] … Man! What an outlook. I’m looking, I have children, and I have one on the way. It’s sad to say that, I’ve never grown up, and they probably will never grow up in a time, where there is no drought condition here in Texas, no foreign wars happening, stuff like that. Those are the things that concern me, and all the little things that trickle down, such as local corruption, they’re just part of the big problem. We need to get good people in positions, to take out, and remove these bad policies, these bad — the green initiative, we all know what that’s about. It’s not about saving the planet. It’s not about — it’s all about control!

RGV: It’s all about land acquisition.

VASQUEZ: It’s all about land acquisition, right. Man! You know, Mr. LaRouche, we’re going to run to break here, and we’re going to come back and we want to talk to you about another issue that’s on our radar, if you don’t mind holding just a few minutes?

LAROUCHE: No, I’m fine! I’ll just stay on the line

VASQUEZ: Great, we’ll be back… [break; the following was apparently not on the air, but was on the internet posting] We’re going to cut another one… another 25 minutes.

RGV: I want to thank you so much, Mr. LaRouche for being on with us, and talking about these subject-matter that a lot of folks don’t like to talk about.

LAROUCHE: Well, don’t thank me! This is part of our problem.

VASQUEZ: Excellent. Well, we’re going to come back here in a just a few seconds. We’re pre-recording this. That way we can have this ready for the Saturday — we actually do a Saturday show.

RGV: I’d like to have, if we could, if it’s OK with you Fred, just come back in, and do five more minutes, just to close up, and do the energy and the water….

VASQUEZ: We’re going to come right now, Mr. LaRouche, and then we’re going to be closing up on final thoughts, OK? [end break interlude]

RGV: Thank you, and welcome back! This is RGV, El Guy, and the Pamphleteer, here with special guest, Mr. Lyndon LaRouche. And you’re listening to 710KURV Talk Radio. This is Radio Retaliation, a product of

And we’re just touching base here on energy conservation, energy options, we’re talking about water, water conservation here in the great state of Texas, in the United States. And Mr. LaRouche is a former advisor to President Reagan, and he’s kind of walking us through some of the realities. We’re getting ready to close up, here, and our closing thoughts. What you think, there Pamphleteer? Anything you want to touch base with Mr. LaRouche, anything you want to ask him, so that the public can know?

LAROUCHE: I’m on the case — just pitch at me, and I’ll respond.

VASQUEZ: You’re good! I was just going to make a comment, you know in some states it’s actually against the law, where it actually has been against the law to collect rainwater! And that’s one of the things that concerns me, because I’m a gardener myself, and I collect rainwater, and water’s a precious, precious thing! Amazingly, enough, I actually am very thankful in the morning when I get to take a shower — and at night — and some people don’t see water that way. They think water is just going to always come out of their faucet whenever they turn the knob.

So any closing thoughts, Mr. LaRouche, on water and energy, and the water conservation issue?

LAROUCHE: Well, first of all, there is a solution, and my solution is, we’re going to have to move a lot of muscle, and my solution is, I look at the state of Texas — Texas is, together with California, but Texas is more politically active than California on this account, my view is that the Texas campaign for Senate, was the key to finding a solution for what is actually a national problem, the problem of the water supply distribution, and jobs, and so forth, throughout the United States.

What we’ve had, especially, since the cancellation of the Glass-Steagall law, what’s happened is that foreign agencies, such as the British Empire, Wall Street, and so forth, have imposed policies on the United States, which have destroyed our economy: Look at the labor force; look at where the jobs went. We no longer have high-technology jobs, really, in any deep part of the population. We’ve lost skills, we have a generation, you know, since the time that Bill Clinton left office, when we cancelled Glass-Steagall, the United States has gone to Hell on a barrel! We have to get rid of those two generations, that is, the Bush-Cheney generation and what the Obama generation represents: Those are the two obstacles right in our way, and the laws they pushed through, and the measures they put through which have destroyed the United States’ capacity to defend itself.

My view has been, if the state of Texas, which has been the hardest hit so far, and one of the largest states in the nation, one of the most important populations in the nation, if that state votes for her as the next Senator, and does that, that is going to cause a chain-reaction collapse in the entire opposition to what we’re fighting for! Because California will immediately follow. And if you get California and Texas, both on the same pitch, you can a change of policy of this nation. And it’s a change in the policy of the nation as a whole which is required.

Now the potential for that change exists. The present system, the Republican Party is just a waste of time; it’s waste of toilet paper, right now. There are a few Republicans who are very good, good people, but the majority are just opportunist and playing games. The Democratic Party has been cowardly. But if you can get the Democratic Party to get out of that, and get some good Republicans to join in with us, we can change the policies of the United States this year.

And that to me, is the only solution, because we’ve got to have the muscle and power, to make the policy changes which will solve the problem. If we get the power we can have, as the United States, under those conditions, we can control the way that the water supply of the total United States, and the world, will be organized, under control to deal with this problem! We can solve this problem, scientifically. We have to be able to do apply a political backdrop, to make that possibility realized. That is really the only solution.

So my view was, that the campaign in the state of Texas, for Kesha for Senate, that campaign could change everything around. Because, what’s happening now, Obama is hated! He’s the most hated man in America, in fact! Wall Street is the most hateable creature in America. And they both can be defeated.

Now, Wall Street’s going to crash: Within a very short period of time, the bail-in policy, which comes to the Wall Street policy, will crash the entire U.S. economy. That’s the other thing we have to deal with. If we can get a new Presidency into place by dumping Obama, and that can be done, if we do that, then, we will have the power in the United States itself, and with cooperation from abroad, to get this thing under control. There are scientific methods which can be used; they exist. But we have to get a national organization, through government, which does what Franklin Roosevelt used to do in his time, is to have a national commitment to recovery of the United States. Now, this involves the water system in a new way, but it’s something we can do! The question is, we need the political authority to do it.

RGV: You know, this has been a great conversation with you, Mr. LaRouche, and we’re coming up on our time. People can get in contact with you, and they can look up more at This is 710KURV, and this is Radio Retaliation, and this is a product of People can go to and see some of our conversations. I am interested to speak to you also about some of the other subject-matter we’re going to be having on a future show.

I want to thank you so much for coming on with us, Mr. LaRouche. I really, just — I feel it’s like what you said, it’s not so much about one Democrat or one Republican, it’s really about people coming together and solving this problem, because it is a real problem. And, what can I say, good sir? Being, what they call me, RGV El Guy, I am concerned about the rest of the guys next to me, and the rest of the folks raising families out here, because it does not look as promising, as it once, I guess, was imagined to be. Pamphleteer, I go over to you.

LAROUCHE: If we get enough people together, we can make it all work.

VASQUEZ: That’s what I was going to say, you have to bring the country together under one, common thing, which is survival. And really, that’s what it comes down to, and I don’t think people are going to understand that, until they turn the faucet and there’s no water comin’ out of that faucet! Or, they look outside the window, and they see tanks rolling down their street. You already see that.

RGV: And we’re here with Lyndon LaRouche, former advisor to President Ronald Reagan. And this is RGV El Guy, sitting here with the Pamphleteer, talking on Radio Retaliation, a product of Open Word News, on 710KURV.

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