LPAC Weekly Report: The New Paradigm for Mankind – May 14, 2014

NAWAPA is too late. Weather modification, controlling atmospheric water flows. We must control nearby space. The Satanic, Oligarchical principle must be destroyed, and a planet-wide agreement on policy take its place.

Transcript as follows:

MEGAN BEETS: Hello, today is May 14th, 2014. Welcome to this week’s edition of the New Paradigm for Mankind; my name is Megan Beets, and I’m joined today in the studio by Mr. Lyndon LaRouche, and Ben Deniston of the LPAC Science Team.

Now, just to set a little bit of the context for today’s discussion, as you emphasized last night, Mr. LaRouche, in our regular discussion with your associates, the world now sits on the edge of a sudden, precipitous blowout, of the trans-Atlantic system. And if we intend to survive this blowout in the fact of the British Empire’s bail-in policy, where they’re sacrificing the population in an attempt to maintain the stability of the system, if we intend to survive, this means the immediate implementation of the Glass-Steagall law in the United States, which means that we cancel any obligation to pay mounds and mounds of illegitimate, speculative debt, which is heaped upon the backs of the citizens of the United States, and elsewhere.

Now, doing that is the critical, indispensable first step, but that’s not enough, because once you clear those false assets out of the banking system, there’s not enough left, not enough real assets left in the banking system, to sustain the population, to sustain the growth and progress of the economy, and insure the survival of the population. Therefore, as you emphasized last night, what this means, is immediately moving for the reimplementation of the Hamiltonian credit system: Meaning that we take the banking system of the United States, and we bring it back to be subordinated under the central authority of the Federal Treasury.

Now, what that would allow us to do, is subordinate the banking system, and recapitalize the banking system under a central, directed national mission, meaning we subordinate the banking system and all investment activity, to the intention for the development of the nation as a whole.

So, one key area we’re going to take up, the key area really, right now, that we’re going to take up in today’s discussion, is the crisis which is the physical crisis which is currently hitting the Western half of the United States, in what is an ongoing, and worsening drought condition hitting a great part of the nation. Now, as we have covered in previous discussions, this is not a temporary condition. We’re looking at perhaps a drought that could stretch on for years, decades, or longer.

So, as you’ve emphasized, Mr. LaRouche, quite strongly, we now know that the NAWAPA program as previously discussed, will not be enough, to correct and address the physical collapse and emergency hitting the Western United States with this drought. What we now know is that the NAWAPA system, or any ground-, land-based water management system as such, is itself dependent upon a much larger global moisture and precipitation cycle. So if we intend to survive and develop and solve this crisis, it’s that larger system that we must gain mastery over, and that means evolving to higher levels than we’ve ever been at before, in terms of power and control as a species. So Ben, I think you have something to say on that.

BEN DENISTON: Yeah. Today, we’re going to get at some of what we might be able to do, to act on some of these larger systems that subsume NAWAPA and subsume these river diversion, river management projects. I think it’s worth just putting on the table, that even if we’d built NAWAPA in the 1960s, when it was designed, if we’d built in the ’60s and ’70s, and completed it by, say the ’80s, bringing water down from the North into West and linking up the continent as a continental water-management system; even if we had built that, we’d still be faced with the same challenges we’re raising here, today, now. Even if we’d built it then, we’d still be now realizing, the Sun is weakening. That there are multiple, independent indicators, pointing to the fact that we very likely could be heading towards a grand solar minimum, which will affect climate conditions differently in different regions, and globally, around the entire planet. So this is a challenge, because of the development of the Solar System, and what the Sun is doing, and because of the level of development of society, this is a challenge that mankind is going to have to confront, no matter what.

Now, because we haven’t built NAWAPA, we’re in an even worse crisis, where we don’t even have a certain stability point to work from, to handle these challenges, of larger-scale climate fluctuations, longer-term drought processes. So it just underscores the need to accelerate, more, towards a future orientation, to do what you might call the leap-frog economic principle, go to a higher level of control, typified by fusion, typified by weather modification systems, and then, from reaching farther into the future, then, resituate these projects like NAWAPA, and related irrigation systems, to be able to handle the crisis.

And, this is just a very cartoonish schematic of the type of processes we’re looking at, where this new factor that was not being considered when NAWAPA was designed, that was not being considered when all the irrigation and water systems of the West were designed, is the fact that the climate system is not a fixed, stable system. But large-scale climate systems and regional climate systems fluctuate; they can fluctuate rather dramatically over even years and decades. And one of the key factors, not the only thing, but one of the key factors that can play a major role in this is major changes in solar activity, like what I went through last week, we could be seeing with this weakening Sun right now.

So that means, we can’t guarantee that the rivers that exist now, will continue to be the same types of river systems, because those depend upon these climate patterns and these precipitation patterns. What we have to look at, is, what determines the rivers, what determines the snow-pack, what determines the precipitation in different regions? And, where all this water ultimate comes from is, initially, the oceans. That’s, obviously, the major store of water on the whole planet. Then the Sun is doing a lot of work for us. The Sun is doing a lot of work, evaporating huge amounts of water, from the oceans and pumping it up into the atmosphere.

Now, just coming from the oceans, globally, it’s equivalent to about 1,000 Mississippi Rivers worth of water. So, if people have been to the Mississippi, it’s an impressive flow of water: Imagine 1,000 of those worth of water, flowing vertically up, from the oceans into the atmosphere: that’s continuously happening. Now, only about 10% of that water that flows up from the oceans, by solar evaporation, ends up falling on land. So only about 10%, on average, obviously it fluctuates, seasonally it fluctuates, year to year, but based on NASA’s observations, certain modelling, a good estimate is about 10%, we think, of this moisture, water that came from the ocean, evaporated, about 10% of that falls on land. And that determines all the river systems that we have; that determines the recycling of the water on land, where plant life will put that water back up into the atmosphere, it’ll fall on land again, as rain, but ultimately, the input to the whole land-based water system, is this ocean-water transport from solar activity.

So, if we’re going to handle the type of climate changes — real climate changes, not the lies that Prince Philip and his associates are putting out — but actual changes and developments and shifts in the climate system, that are going to come from solar activity, and associated processes, we have to start to look at these subsuming processes of the atmospheric moisture cycles.

And so the question is — and we’ll get into some detail today — is how do we make that water that’s in the atmosphere, fall where we want it to fall, or, not fall where we don’t want it to fall? How do we bring it over to regions where we want it, and how do we get to change from just being vapor, from being in a vapor state, to a liquid state, so it can fall down, and fall down to the land system?

So this has been a subject, obviously, that mankind has been fascinated with for a long time, and done a fair amount of work on. People are probably familiar with cloud-seeding. There’s frankly a lot of cloud-seeding activity that goes on, where people will distribute particles of material into clouds, and if the clouds are near a tipping point, it can accelerate the condensation process, and ensure that the droplets get big enough to fall. But it’s a very limited aspect. It depends upon a certain amount of moisture, and cloud formation to already be there, so you can kind of push it over the edge, so to speak, just give it a little boost.

What I want to look at today is another avenue, by no means the only one, but one specific avenue of weather-modification, weather control, called “ionization systems,” and I want to go through a few case studies of these systems. Here is, an unfortunately somewhat low-resolution picture, of some of these systems operating in Mexico. And, it’s hard to see the wires, but these are towers connected by a series of electrical wires. And what you can do with these systems, is it actually takes not a whole lot of power input; but the key is not just blasting a bunch of power through the system, but tuning it. If you can tune these systems, to ionize the atmosphere in the region surrounding them, if you can get these tuned such that, you separate the electrons from the nucleus of atoms in the atmosphere, and create an ionization effect, where you take regions of the atmosphere that were not necessarily very charged, not electrically active, and you make so it can be electrically active by ionizing the region, by separating these electrons from the nuclei of the atoms. So, these systems can be used to ionize a region of the atmosphere, which will then actually have a much larger effect, on the scale of tens of miles, hundreds of miles around one of these systems. And this ionization process can actually help facilitate the condensation of water vapor.

By creating these charged particles, you’re helping to give something for the water to condense onto, and helping to facilitate the process of, something that’s always going on to some degree — more in some places, less in other places — but there’s always this process of the vapor changing. The Sun turns ocean water into vapor. At a certain point, the vapor changes back to liquid state and then falls from the atmosphere, as rain or snow, or whatever.

BEETS: Some say this is more effective than simple cloud seeding.

DENISTON: Mm-hmm, this has been shown to be much more effective than the traditional cloud-seeding processes.

So, here’s a map of the operations in Mexico, is one useful case study, where they’ve done this. There is a scientist who was doing some of this work in the Soviet Union, and when the Soviet Union fell, he basically started a company and said, “I can be hired to create rain, I can affect weather systems, I can affect storm systems.” And at the time, ’92-’93, it actually generated somewhat of an international media buzz. A lot of the international media were trying to dismiss him as some kook, or whatever. But he ended up getting into some discussions with the head of the space research program at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM), so they started talking about some of this work. And they got the support of someone who at the time was the head of the Science Committee in the Federal Senate in Mexico.

So they got together and said, let’s give these systems a try. So by ’96, they had built three trial systems, these ionization stations in Mexico, and they got positive results; they could actually increase the rainfall, and the amount of precipitation over these regions. So based on that success, they actually expanded it from three stations in ’96, to, I believe, 21 stations in 2004.

And here you can see a map: Each of the red dots is the location of one of these systems, set up across Mexico. The shaded state there, is the state of Durango, Mexico, and up here, we have an illustration of over five years, the expected versus the actual rainfall, which has been attributed to these ionization systems. So you have each year, ’99 to 2003, measuring this precipitation in millimeters. And the purple and the green, are a low and a high prediction for the natural rainfall, what they naturally expect to get in the region, just the regular forecast based on historically what they get in the region and whatever climate patterns they’re seeing come in for the coming year. So you have a high versus a low prediction, for what they expected for rainfall in the state of Durango to be. And the blue is what actually happened, under the influence of these ionization systems.

So you can see, for this region of Durango, just this one state, as one case study of these Mexico operations, you had consistently for five years, blowing out much above even the higher expectations of rainfall, you had a higher level of precipitation under the influence of these ionization systems. That’s just the region of Durango.

I’ll read a couple quotes from some of the other media coverage of these Mexico operations. In 2003, a magazine called Mass High Tech, from Massachusetts, was covering these investigations, and the technology is called ELAT, is the name of the ionization systems they use; so, in 2003, Mass High Tech wrote: Mexico’s “first ELAT station, in the drought-stricken state of Sonora, increased average rainfall from 10.6 inches to 51 inches in the first year, according to Mexican department of agriculture statistics. When a lack of state funds shut down the station the following year, area rainfall measured 11 inches. In the third year, with the station operational again, the area recorded 47 inches of rainfall.” So that’s in the state of Sonora, some of the initial operations they ran.

In 2004, IEEE Spectrum covered this, and they looked at the entire central basin region of Mexico, and on average, under the operations of these systems over a few years, they concluded about a doubling of precipitation of rain over this larger central basin region, which corresponded to a 61% increase in bean production, the growth of beans in the region.

And there are other studies. They’re also looking at using these systems to actually put out fires, so there’s a significant reduction of fires in the Yucatan Peninsula, under the operation of these systems, because they bring in moisture and do this.

So the Mexico operations have been operated successfully for well over a decade, led to the expansion of these systems, and a very clear demonstration that there is some potential to use this ionization effect, to induce precipitation and induce moisture flows for some control over these weather patterns.

Another operation, using a similar concept, but not necessarily the exact, same technology, but still based on ionization method, was launched in the United Arab Emirates. I believe in 2011, there was some — this is just a screenshot from their website, called Meteo systems, and the image of some of these ionization stations they had set up there. And based on these operations, they had claimed to have generated 51 or 52 unanticipated rain showers, that were not forecast by the weather, just totally a surprise, but came in association with the development of these ionization systems in the United Arab Emirates. And this actually helped to generate a fair amount of media buzz, and I think, scared some people a little bit, because they took down the website for a little while. There were all these attacks, “that can’t happen, it’s impossible, it’s physically impossible, you can’t control the weather.” So it went down for a little bit, and now it’s all back up and you can go to the website, and they have their studies there, they have everything presented on there.

The third case where this has been demonstrated has been in Australia, on a somewhat smaller scale than the Mexico operations. This is a company called Australian Rain Technologies. So they have another variation of this ionization system; if you can see the map down here, of Australia, you can see three regions where they’ve been doing, relatively small-scale, limited, but very rigorous and very conservative studies, of running these systems, measuring how much rainfall happens. And they’ve been claiming, again, consistent results through these studies, ranging between 10-20% increase in the regions affected. And they also make the point — and you can also go to their website — just search “Australian Rain Technologies,” they have very lengthy, detailed studies, detailing all their studies, all the assumptions involved, and they’re very clear that they’re being very extremely conservative in their estimates. So if anything, they’re undershooting the effect they’re actually having, but to make sure that they’re really countering all the naysayers and attacks, they’re being very conservative in their estimates of what effects their systems are having.

And they, for example, proposed, relatively cheap an $11 million project, to build 14 of these stations in the catchment area that leads to a reservoir that feeds the Murray Darling Basin in Australia, which is a region where there’s major water shortages, largely because of crazy environmentalist policies. But it’s a huge agricultural region for Australia; it’s fed by irrigation systems. So they’ve put out a proposal to say, let’s build a series of these ionization systems, not covering the whole basin, but covering the catchment area, the area where any rain that falls in that area, flows into rivers that flow into reservoirs. So specifically target the reservoir region, to increase the rainfall that ultimately goes into the reservoirs, to give water supply for the whole basin.

So, as far as I know, they haven’t gotten support for that program, but that’s the type of study they’re proposing to do. And, I haven’t seen any detailed studies, but there’s multiple references to these technologies being used in Russia to good effect; some of the people in these other operations, were involved in Russia. Other coverage has cited Russian activity, and there’s other nations as well, where some of this has been investigated.

So, this is not just some theory that somebody just came up with, and has been untested. This is now at least three documented places, and there’s others, but there’s at least three regions, where this has been shown to be effective. In Australia, with relatively small scale, but very rigorous studies; in Mexico, with larger operations, operating for many years, with consistent success.

So this is kind of the tip of the iceberg of the type of stuff we could be getting at, but I just want to take a few minutes now, to go through some of the science involved that we’re dealing with.

So, again, going back to the total moisture in the atmosphere, this is the measure of what they call “total precipitable water vapor,” water vapor that can precipitate, can fall out as liquid water. So this is water vapor in the atmosphere. It was actually a surprise to me, to realize how much energy is actually stored in this water vapor itself, because it actually takes a lot of energy to convert liquid water to a vapor form. And Jason has used the example a few times of boiling a pot of water on your stove: How long does it take to get boiling? It usually takes a little while. But then, how long does it take to boil all the water out of that pot? That’s a lot of heat, a lot of energy, to vaporize, to turn from liquid to vapor state, a whole pot of water. Now, that energy is actually stored in the state of being a vapor, and if you can get it to condense, to change back from vapor to liquid, it releases heat, it releases energy. And they call this “latent heat,” the heat potential in a vapor state of a liquid.

So, actually, 23%, nearly a quarter of the Sun’s energy that hits the Earth’s system, not just that hits the surface, but all the energy that comes to the whole Earth system, 23% of that solar energy goes into evaporation of water. So 23% of the energy input from the Sun into the Earth’s system, is, in a sense, stored in the vaporization of water.

But it’s a constant process. You could never do this, in case people get afraid about this example, or something: You could never actually do this, but, if you took all the water vapor in the atmosphere, and instantly condensed all of the water vapor from vapor state to liquid state, it would release the energy on the order of 6,700 megatons of TNT equivalent, that much energy. The biggest nuclear bomb ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba that the Soviets detonated, was 50 megatons. The amount of energy contained, just in the vapor state, the state of the water being a vapor, in the atmosphere is the equivalent of 6,700 megatons, so over 100 of the largest nuclear bombs ever detonated, that much energy is constantly there, just in the fact of the latent heat factor.

But it doesn’t just stay there. The Sun’s constantly evaporating more water; that water is constantly condensing back to liquid and precipitating. And as it’s condensing back to liquid, it’s releasing heat and it’s heating the atmosphere. Now, half of the heating of the entire atmosphere actually comes from this process, which I found to be remarkable. So, about half of the heating of the atmosphere comes just from the Sun light, the sunlight hitting the atmosphere directly; but the other half comes from the actual condensation, this fact of the water vapor changing back to liquid and releasing heat, this actually contributes to half of heating, the thermal effect, of the entire atmosphere. So this latent heat release, this evaporation and latent heat release, is a major, major factor in the entire thermal system of the atmosphere.

Now, this gets very interesting, because one of the key factors that facilitate this condensation process, this changing from vapor to liquid, is this ionization process, is this process of increasing the ionization, having more charged electrical characteristics to a region of the atmosphere, can help facilitate a greater rate of condensation. Now, we know this just by natural effects, by cosmic rays, galactic cosmic radiation: Our atmosphere is constantly bombarded with cosmic radiation.

Now this is, unfortunately again, a low-resolution graphic, and it’s actually very hard to see that there’s actually two lines on each of these graphs: There’s a thick red one, and there’s a thinner blue one, that’s kind of hard to see, but it’s hard to see because they match so well. And what this is, actually, one of the lines is measuring cosmic rays measured beneath the surface of the Earth, which is fascinating; the other line is measuring the temperature of the stratosphere, the high atmosphere. And you have an extremely tight relationship, between cosmic ray flow into the Earth’s system, and the temperature of the upper atmosphere. Because, the most cosmic rays, the most changing from vapor to liquid, of the water, and the more latent heat release, heating the upper atmosphere region.

And it’s just funny that this is actually measured as a total surprise, in systems that were actually beneath the surface of the Earth, measuring very high intensity cosmic rays; that they’re able to use that data to show that the cosmic ray flux actually tightly corresponds to the upper atmosphere temperatures, very likely relating to this latent heat release effect.

So, the galactic cosmic rays can modulate ionization and latent heat release and have a major effect on the thermal system of the atmosphere. The other factor that plays into that, is solar activity. Because solar activity helps to modulate cosmic ray flux: If the Sun is more active, has a stronger magnetic influence, it tends to block out more cosmic rays from enter the Earth system. If the Sun is weaker, like I was discussing last week, if the Sun’s magnetic system is getting weaker, then it can’t block as many cosmic rays, and we get more cosmic rays coming into the whole Solar System and the Earth system. And this is very well documented. This can be seen very clearly in this graphic of 30 years: The upper curve is sunspot number — and again the number of sunspots is a good measure for how active the Sun is overall, but the activity is very magnetic in character, a very active magnetic field when it’s more active. So, you can see the regular, 11-year fluctuation in sunspot, and the very bottom is the x-ray flux. So you can see, the x-rays leaving the Sun and hitting the Earth, follows very closely with the solar cycle.

But you see an inverse relationship in the middle curve, in cosmic rays. So when the Sun is more active, as you see, peaking around ’89, ’90, ’91, you see there’s actually a dip, there’s actually less cosmic rays reaching the Earth system, because the Sun was more active. As the Sun quiets down into a minimum period, like you see in ’95, ’96, ’97, you get an increase in cosmic radiation, galactic cosmic radiation coming from outside the Solar System.

So you can see this tight relationship between solar activity and cosmic radiation flux. So it’s a way to mediate how — so the Sun’s activity, interacting with the cosmic radiation, those two play a factor in affecting these weather systems and thermal systems, and condensation and ionization in the Earth atmosphere.

Now, you have an overall cycling here, but you also have singular, large events. Like you have these coronal mass ejections, when the Sun has a big explosion on its surface and sends a large ball of plasma, basically a mass of plasma leaves the Sun’s surface and travels through the Solar System. When those masses of plasma hit the Earth’s system, they can also actually — because they carry with it a magnetic field, the whole plasma itself is going to have magnetic characteristics — those can actually, temporarily, over just a short term, strengthen the magnetic influence around the Earth and also lower the cosmic rays coming in. They’re referred to Forbush decreases, named after the guy who discovered these things: That when you have singular outbursts of solar activity, it can make a sharp, short-term dip in cosmic radiation flux.

So I set all this up, to point to one very provocative and interesting study, looking at the relationship between galactic cosmic radiation, solar activity, and ionization and latent heat release — everything we’ve discussed so far — and hurricanes. And in this case, the case of Hurricane Katrina, which devastated New Orleans in 2005.

And what they looked at in this study, was very interesting, was that one of the major factors in determining the strength of a hurricane is the temperature difference, with a relatively warmer ocean, and a cooler upper atmosphere: The greater difference in temperature, the greater convection, the greater change of state which strengthens the whole hurricane. That’s why when a hurricane moves into the Gulf of Mexico, where the water’s a lot warmer, that can affect the whole hurricane structure, create a larger temperature difference.

So, what they looked at, was the fact that, in the case of Hurricane Katrina, you had a geomagnetic storm, you had a changing of the Earth’s magnetic field, likely associated with activity from the Sun; that actually decreased the cosmic radiation flux, which meant that there was less ionization occurring, up in the upper atmosphere, which meant there was less heat being released. So less cosmic radiation coming in, meant less ionization and less release of this latent heat. So there upper atmosphere actually cooled, actually got colder, because of this magnetic storm and decrease in cosmic radiation. And that was enough to affect the entire hurricane. The entire hurricane system was affected; it strengthened, and it changed direction, because of the effect of a relatively small change in input of this ionization factor, which modulated the latent heat release and changed the temperature difference, allowed to the affecting of the whole hurricane system.

So, that’s just to give a clear case study. This has some potential large-scale, real effects that you can conceptualize, actually being able to affect — this type of ionization affecting latent heat release, is enough of a factor, to affect an entire hurricane system, based on what we see from this study and this…

LYNDON LAROUCHE: It changes the characteristics of Earth’s weather, above the United States, for example.

DENISTON: Yeah. And that’s what we want to start looking at. And the other factor, just to round off, real quick, because the other contributing factor is the whole global electric circuit, which is another factor in weather systems which is affected by ionization. So you have, the entire Earth system is characterized by this voltage, this potential difference, this electrical difference between the ground and the ionosphere, the very high atmosphere. And this is actually generated by thunderstorm activity, by lightning and thunder clouds, actually creates this; the more lightning strikes you have and the more thunderstorms, the greater the intensity of the whole global electric circuit system.

So you have these thunderstorms generating this difference, and then everywhere else you have a current, flowing back down through the atmosphere. It’s happening everywhere, it’s happening right here. There’s actually a current flowing through our system right now, from the ionosphere to the Earth. The ionization, either by galactic cosmic rays, or by manmade ionization systems, can actually affect these current systems, because if you increase the ionization of the atmosphere, you actually increase the ability for the current to flow through that particular region, potentially giving us another handle on being able to affect large-scale weather systems, moisture flows, precipitation patterns.

So this is by no means — this is just another study that kind of indicates some of this. This is actually a fun study, just showing that cloud cover in certain regions of the Earth has actually been shown to correspond to solar wind, to the electrical coupling of the Sun to the Earth system: Just as another indication that weather and climate systems is tied to the global electric circuit in these processes.

LAROUCHE: This has a complementary implication which is more interesting in other ways. It’s interesting psychologically, in terms of mankind’s own behavior. That, for example, the problem we faced on this NAWAPA crisis, was the fact that there was an assumption that there was a fixed system on Earth, which could give you a NAWAPA program. What this demonstrates, of course, is as if understandably foreseeable management capability, which is superior to any fixed system on Earth at one time, any climatic system. So we got caught in the fact, that the NAWAPA by its delay — I’m sure that if it had been put in place in proper time, it would not have been collapsed today, because it’s again, these kinds of process.

But what the more important thing is to go beyond Earth as such, and to realize that mankind has a responsibility, as well as an ability, to change the characteristics of the Solar System, inside the Solar System itself. And that mankind now has to realize, to look at this process from the Solar System, and there’s also a time factor in this thing, of course, when you go to the Solar System, you go to a greater disparity in time. But it means that mankind, potentially, if mankind will progress, and kill the green people, which is a very good idea to do, (except they probably stink and that’s going to be the real problem). But that mankind on Earth, is not mankind: Mankind resides on Earth, under Earth conditions, but mankind’s responsibility is to increase, by going to excessively higher energy-flux density, is to control the Solar System. And therefore, mankind’s directive has to be the intention, to increase man’s power in the Solar System.

And one of the things that’s most significant in this thing, is why haven’t we done something about asteroids? Asteroids are a phenomenon, which are a near-Earth passing phenomenon, with deadly implications for even the existence of the human species. Why haven’t we done something about that?

So therefore, you’re talking about — it’s if Satan himself, otherwise known as Zeus, hmm?, were planning the policies, stewed up in the mind in the Roman Empire and in the British Empire. Maybe they’re Satanic forces. Not Satanic forces of nature, but Satanic of evil: The people that prevent us, as mankind, from doing what mankind can deal with, is the great crime. So therefore, we should eliminate the Roman Empire, as something that should never have happened, as a Satanic phenomenon, and the British Empire is also, we know, close at hand, a Satanic phenomenon.

And all these things, like weather and so forth, reflect mankind’s Satanic subjection, to influences of that type! Because man could do something about it, with most of the climate problems we have in the United States which are close to Earth, are things we could manage. But what prevents them from being managed? The green policy! The green policy is the threat to human existence. I think we have to get rid of the greenies.

DENISTON: Yeah, absolutely.

LAROUCHE: But don’t cook them. I think the stink will be more than we can take.

DENISTON: As you’ve repeatedly emphasized, you just take the 1968, ’69, ’71, through today, we’ve had no progress. There’s been no economic progress — mankind has been not allowed to develop fusion, has been suppressed and kept from being developed; nuclear power has been shut down.

LAROUCHE: It’s obvious, we have to shoot Satan. [laughter] Really! That’s the term to use, shoot Satan!

DENISTON: Right. And that’s what people don’t get. They assume — you literally hear the argument from some people, “well, weather modification, earthquake forecasting, fusion power, if it could have happened, it would have happened already. And therefore, because it hasn’t happened already, therefore it couldn’t happen.” That’s just totally ahistorical….

LAROUCHE: That’s Satanic. That is Satanic! A Satanic ideology. And it should be called that.

DENISTON: Yeah. But people don’t realize that there’s this active force, in society, trying to suppress this development.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, sure! Well, that’s obvious. Because, the point is, is, when I came up with this paper that you just saw, is exactly that question. Mankind is responsible to control nearby space. And this is a perfect — what you’ve just done here, in this presentation, is a very nice, implicit presentation of exactly that issue. And you add in the asteroid question, and threats to mankind from asteroids, it’s a similar kind of phenomenon: Mankind will not become mankind, until we can control asteroids. Because as long as those asteroids are running around, they’re uncontrolled, by means we could develop control for, mankind’s very existence is insecure! And that is truly Satanic! And the British monarchy, is truly the creation of Satan: Maybe we should fire Satan!

BEETS: We can start by firing our President.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, well, that would help. That’s the first thing. I think Obama should be one of the first to go: Like a leaf that’s flowing in a hot stream, and suddenly it becomes ignited, and goes away in the flare, and drops its ashes to ground, — and is no more! [laughter]

So this is a very informative, in terms of educating some of the people out there, to open their minds, as well as their eyes, and ears, and so forth, as to what the problem is. And let’s not depend on fixed systems, on fixed destinies, on limits which are fixed! Ah! Let’s have some fun!

BEETS: Well, as you pointed out yesterday, and also in this report that you just finished, we’re at a point — I mean, mankind is not fixed by animal life, that’s how you put it yesterday. Is that, in reality, man is not a fixed species, we’re not a fixed system, and human evolution does not occur in the same mode as what we call biological evolution. And what that means is that mankind is constantly changing, because he’s constantly able to master principles of the universe which are beyond what had ever been part of the human species before.

LAROUCHE: Well, that’s my point. That’s my point in my emphasis on the significance of Vernadsky’s work. Because, even the guy died, in the middle of a process of continuing discovery. He died of old age and wear-and-tear, in the normal course of events. And then his creative powers were suddenly turned off, by his death. And other people were not able to do much in continuing them. Many people did try to push something here, push something there, as a result of his work after he had died. But that became attenuated, especially with the breakup of the Soviet Union and the demoralization process that preceded that breakup.

I mean, we reached the high point, right when I was doing the SDI, and that goes from 1978 into 1983, that period. And what we were doing, what going in exactly that direction. That was the intention. That we had to end this damned war business, because mankind, under thermonuclear war conditions, you can no longer have war in the conventional sense of global warfare. And therefore, you have to change the way in which mankind behaves, socially. But you have to get rid of Satan, the Queen.

She now has genders; we always took this thing of Zeus, which is really Satan, and we didn’t pay any attention to the agender problem! The Queen be the name of the menace, hmm? But you don’t have to worry about it, because the whole apparatus, her husband, her son, and a lot of people around them, they’re all the similar kinds of Satanic rubbish.

And what we’re really doing, is we’re fighting a war against Satan. And I think that is probably a good enough war for us to fight.

I don’t think we need any other war. We just kill Satan, or put him in a prison, to be sufficient to encourage man, to do what mankind is. I think that the British Empire and its predecessor the Roman Empire, the follower of the original Satan, that’s the fellow we have to get rid of. That’s what we have to make war against. I think, then, human beings will have the chance of being really human! We just have to order the affairs of mankind on Earth, so that we have nations, but the nations are really instruments of a common human intention. And we have to bring that about. That’ll be fun. That will make life worth having been lived. That I like!

BEETS: Okay. Well, unless there’s anything else, it sounds like a good point to end it out for today.

LAROUCHE: I’m pleased we’re going to do something about this.


LAROUCHE: The ideas have been rolling through my head as he went through this process. I’ve got a whole list of things, about a dozen things which just rolled through my head, while he was going through this thing. It was not that what he was saying, it’s that what he was saying popped into my head as meaning this, meaning this, referring this! it was fun! It was great fun, a good ride. [laughter]

DENISTON: Thanks. But this also gets at what you’ve been pointing to in the difference — the replacement of science with mathematics. Because now, this type of process, this typifies the revival of science, real science. How can mankind act, hypothesize, and use that hypothesis to act to improve the conditions of life, to change things, to play an increasingly active force, in the universe.

LAROUCHE: The point is, the trans-Atlantic region is now dying! Most of Western Europe is dying. Beyond Central Europe. Most of trans-Atlantic region is dying. Dying of a self-inflicted wound, called “Satan,” the British Empire. What you’re having now, you have a gradual recovery, of Asia, and extending into that. There are many parts of Asia which are absolutely destroyed. But! there are powerful forces in the Eurasian section which are moving, as Russia is trying to move and others are, now, China, as well; so this driving force — what’s happened is, the trans-Atlantic region has slipped into playing the roll that Asia had, during many times of the trans-Atlantic region. The trans-Atlantic region became a dominant region through the version of the British Empire, and related things, or the contention with the British Empire; and then Asia was subordinated, the Asia, trans-Pacific region.

So now, what’s happened, you’ve got a situation where the trans-Pacific region has now come into prominence, what as of now, is now the dominant trend, upward. Whereas the trans-Atlantic region, is the dying region, of culture inherently. It’s not a failure of one country, or another country; it’s the whole region is dying, systemically!

What we’re going to have to do, is think on a larger scale: We have to bring both regions of the planet, into coherent agreement on principle. And that’s what I’m looking at, in terms of the Russia thing. The Russia-China relationship gives us the opportunity, is the United States! If we in the United States, get rid of Obama, and get rid of the oligarchical other tendencies of that type, if we do that, we can put the United States back to being the United States! And bringing that into synchronization, with the upsurge in development in large regions, in major parts of the Eurasian sector.

So that should be the policy of the United States government, now! And get rid of everything, in the U.S. government, which doesn’t do that, and doesn’t commit itself to that.

BEETS: When you see some of these development projects that China has been proposing in the recent weeks, for example, the idea of building a system of maglev trains through an evacuated tube, that can go 1800 miles per hour! This technology originated in the United States!

DENISTON: Back in the ’60s.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, yeah!

BEETS: Exactly. And similarly, with the proposal to finally build this tunnel under the Bering Strait, which has been discussed in the United States and elsewhere, for over a century!

LAROUCHE: You have the corresponding thing is the tunnel through the Alps, which is one of the great achievements of that type, that macro scale.

And that’s what we have to do: We have to change the politics of the United States as such, in order to change the planet policy. We have to get rid of Obama, we have to get rid of Wall Street, everything like that! End the green policy! Eradicate it!

If we do that, and if we bring the nations which are affected by that change, but if the United States will change its character, back to what it was supposed to be, and coordinate with Eurasian sector, or its leading sections, we have enough power, of influence on this planet, to change the entire direction of man’s destiny, to space.

So I think that’s a mission-orientation, which we have to say, is the political destiny of mankind, which must be provident, in controlling what mankind, in various countries, does simultaneously now. It seemed like a good idea: I think it’s probably the only good idea that’ll work right now, under these conditions.

This is good. And this stimulates one’s thinking in that direction. Good!

BEETS: Okay. Well, that’ll do it for this week: Thank you, Ben; thank you, Lyn. And we’ll see everybody soon.

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