Join us for a special LPAC Policy Committee show broadcast from the Manhattan Project as we review the incredible weekend of September 11th Mozart Requiem concerts and conference in NYC.
Diane SARE: Good afternoon, and welcome to the weekly LaRouche PAC Policy Committee discussion. As viewers may have noticed, I am Diane Sare; Matt Ogden is not with us today and we are filming from the Manhattan Project today. We have here in our studio, Mike Steger, from San Francisco; Kesha Rogers, from Houston, Texas; Bill Roberts from Detroit, Michigan, and sometimes Manhattan; and joining us over Google Hangouts live, Dave Christie, from Seattle, Washington, and Rachel Brinkley, back in Boston, Massachusetts, although she’s been here with us for a number of days.
And I can just say that occasion that brings us together is that this weekend has been the 15th anniversary of the most hideous terrorist attacks on our nation which were particularly hard-felt in Manhattan with the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon on Sept. 11th, 2001. And as viewers know, Mr. LaRouche has made a very strong point that we have yet to secure justice in that case, where you had close to 3,000 Americans murdered on that day and thousands more have died in wars based on lies in the so-called “War on Terror,” not to mention millions of people who have been killed and displaced globally as a result of these wars.
And what we’ve experienced over these days thus far, with so far three performances of the Mozart Requiem which were sponsored by the Foundation for the Revival of Classical Culture and which the Schiller Institute Community Chorus participated in is, I think a great potential for the transformation of the United States which is urgently important at this time, as we are both on the brink of the biggest blowout of the trans-Atlantic financial system that anyone can imagine, as well as being on the brink of a Renaissance greater than anyone can imagine, developing from the new paradigm as led by leaders like President Putin of Russia and Xi Jinping of China.
I will not say more, but open the discussion here for people who have been a part of this process in other spots.
Michael STEGER: Well, I can say, coming in from San Francisco and only getting a sense of just the concerts, but I think the process building up into it was also fairly substantial. And as Lyn said, the people who would be most touched would be the people who were brought into the process of the choruses and the whole idea of making an intervention into the culture around the concerts. But you have to say, there was over 1100 people in a Manhattan church on Saturday.
There were other events happening, and the reports we got were that they were far less substantial and thoughtful, but what really is the meaning of this process? The choruses 80-100 plus people on Saturday and on Sunday.
And I thought what was probably most touching to me, just to keeping opening remarks here, but one of the firefighters of the Sunday Mass, we participated at the Co-Cathedral of St. Joseph in Brooklyn; they do a Mass every year for the firefighters, there were 57 of them that died from this battalion. And so they had one of the leaders of that battalion speaking in honor of them, and that we will never forget what they did. lion. And so they had one of the leaders of that battalion speaking in honor of them, and that we will never forget what they did. You heard the overtones of the Gettysburg Address. And it was very emotional; there weren’t very many dry eyes in the house, including the chorus and orchestra, and everybody else participating, let alone the families of the fallen. They brought in flags representing each member that died on that day. As we discussed earlier, these people were murdered; this was a murder against the American people en masse.
But once these remarks were done, and our chorus was brought forward to sing, you have the whole orchestra, the whole performance, and John Sigerson, our conductor, had to make a decision: Are we going to continue that intense emotion of the thoughtfulness of these people who had passed, or are we going to try to elevate it now through Mozart towards and even higher domain, something of an optimism toward the future, a triumph in a sense. And I thought the performance yesterday, although it had a few kinks, really captured that quality; they had the quality of timing the way John approached it, and the connection that the whole orchestra and chorus had to the proceedings, it was very touching.
But you saw it go from looking back on the last 15 years to looking forward to the next 100 years was that quality that we captured with the musical performance.
Kesha ROGERS: I would just add to that, and say that it was extremely as called by Mr. LaRouche and Mrs. LaRouche identified, because you saw the fact that those injustices and those murders and those people who had committed these crimes, were actually http://loss%206.24 just found in terms of the life of Mozart and the fact that he was murdered, he was killed. And Mozart was living through every single person who was participating in that experience, whether they were singing, whether they were playing an instrument, or whether they were in the audience, that Mozart was living through them. And they had a sense that they were participating in a truly human identity and I think this is what completely freaks out the enemy. The British Empire, those who have committed these crimes, these murders, Bush, Cheney, Obama, everyone who has sat back and allowed these injustices and actually have been a part of these murders, they have been defeated. This was a big defeat for this enemy of mankind and of humanity. I think you can really find solace in knowing that such beauty and such a human identity, who have died in 9/11 and other events, 9/11/2012, the other terrorist acts around the world did not die in vain.
And I think it’s important in this discussion here today for us to make that point clear, that that is our determination; to make sure that not only did these people not die in vain, but justice will and must be served.
Bill ROBERTS: Yeah, I think there was a very, very deep spiritual aspect to this entire process which was universally grasped by all parties involved in bringing this together, which is that this was a Living Memorial, not just marking an event, and that is why this is really something is unique. And even the Bishop said, who just experienced it, may never experience anything like this ever again. Because this is for the living to go forward, because, it gets to a theological question almost — when there is such a great evil, the question as Leibniz posed it, is how could such a good God allow such great evil? And I know this is a very central conception in this, than an evil has to be answered by a greater good. That evil is not an intrinsic part of what we have to deal with, it is not equal with the good. And in that sense, there is a principle of immortality here. We have to move forward, and create something which is a greater good and that means transforming the intentions of the American people to not accept evil, and to not accept the idea of accepting evil.
SARE: Which brings up something I brought up in a discussion with Mr. LaRouche today a little bit earlier, on the question of the unity of the United States, where I saw the headline of an editorial, where they were reflecting on a prayer service, or something that had occurred directly after Sept. 11th, 2001 and the fact that the nation was unified; and the fact that today the nation is so disunified. It has become disunified because we have allowed an enormous injustice, which was the murder of 3,000 people on that day; but then, what else do we tolerate? The policies of Cheney and Bush to launch all of these wars, to torture people, to do the bail-out of Wall Street; the policy of Obama to perpetuate these wars, to continue the bail-out of Wall Street to the detriment of the American population, where now you have an accelerating death rate of the younger decades. People from the ages of 25-35 and 35-55, these Americans of these ages should be doing things like buying houses in their 20s, getting married, having children, raising families, are instead [inaudible 11.49] alcoholism [inaudible] our nation is disunified.
But what has occurred by the actions, and LaRouche in a sense has been acting in tandem, not in direct personal collaboration but a kind of a tandem action with President Vladimir Putin for a very long time, since Putin intervened in Chechnya, and Mr. LaRouche produced his Storm Over Asia documentary, to actually eradicate terrorism, but LaRouche’s conception is to create a new paradigm, a new just economic system for mankind.
So what has occurred now with Xi Jinping, with India, with what’s happened in Egypt with the New Suez Canal, certain breakthroughs around the world, the new paradigm has actually come into existence. And Putin’s actions in Syria, which he announced almost exactly a year ago at the UN General Assembly, created a certain kind of backdrop where the injustice of the Obama administration servitude to the British Empire in backing ISIS, in supporting ISIS, in supporting al-Qaeda , and covering up for the Saudis, this can now be exposed in bold relief.
Which is that the 28 pages were released by Obama, how many people thought that Obama would be one releasing the 28 pages, because he cares about no other [inaudible 13.28] Similarly the JASTA bill, the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, which has passed in the Senate and the House of Representatives, that is, there is a determination in the conscience of American people to not continue to go along with this.
ROBERTS: The bill just passed Friday in the House, and that was a major intervention.
SARE: Exactly, right on the eve of the 15th anniversary of 9/11.
So it is in effect, a Berlin Wall kind of moment that is hitting the United States right now, which is much greater than anything occurring in the Presidential elections, although there are great uncertainties, as we were also discussing earlier.
Rachel BRINKLEY: It is a new paradigm. People in the United States, frankly, no one understands what’s happening in the world. There’s not really a single American for the most part, who really has any idea what’s happening, that there’s a different quality of thinking. And what happened at these events, especially on Sunday, it was that quality of thinking brought to the United States. And especially with the discussion with the firefighters, and there was discussion what were these firefighters doing, rushing — when everyone else was rushing to their safety, looking out for their safety, what is it in a firefighter that makes them enter the danger and put their lives at risk. And these 21 firefighters lost their lives for that principle, for this profound principle which against what most people would think about their own identity, preserving their own safety.
But that is the quality of the new paradigm is this idea, and this was also what was brought out in the Mozart Requiem music, was a parallel idea. And this is also what President Xi spoke about at the G20 conference, when he said that he was most proud of lifting the world out of poverty. That was the discussion. He said, we’ve lifted 700 million people out of poverty; we want to end global poverty — that’s our next step.
So this is not a self-interest motivation. This is a different quality of thinking of looking at mankind in general, as a whole. As those firefighters were thinking, as they rushed into the building, they weren’t worried about who it was they were going to save: they were going to save everyone in that building, and I think that’s the quality that is the new paradigm.
Dave CHRISTIE: I only had the opportunity to watch it being broadcast, which was actually quite a well-done, in the church that put it on, and what really struck me was at the end, the applause. It was almost as if you could see people, and it wasn’t really clear where they were directing it to, and it almost was that it was God Himself; it looked like a divine kind emotion flowing through people. And to me that encapsulated the over nature of the intervention and interweaving of the music but also the fight that you could see within the members of the fire department and so on, to understand, what is this? As Rachel was just saying, this quality of somebody who rushes into the danger knowing that their lives could be lost, is an immediate issue of the Sublime.
The other thing I thought, and maybe you want to say more about this because you were there, was what had gone on in the conference, on Sept. 10th. State Sen. Richard Black from Virginia, we listened to some of his presentation and there was this extremely subjective, to the American people — it was a very raw presentation in the sense of the details of the atrocities that have been committed, so this very subjective point made to the American people, that we’ve allowed this to occur. And he mentioned that the honor as a member of the Marine Corps, that our military and honor of our nation is stained, but the subjective quality of challenging the American people that “this is one you“; that this sense of applause that we saw at the end of the ceremony, and in a sense you could see the lifting of the veil, the lifting of this quality of oppression where people have gone along and allowed all of this to occur, the atrocities that have been committed since then, you could see that the veil was beginning to be lifted.
Those are something that I noticed from afar.
SARE: On that, there was a Schiller Institute conference on Saturday which as you said, Sen. Richard Black addressed and was also addressed by the Ambassador from Syria to the United Nations. And everyone was very struck by Senator Black’s passion; because when you hear someone speak that way it’s a prick to your conscience because what he was describing, and people may remember some of these releases of this al-Zinki group that beheaded a 12-year-old boy, and the exchange between a journalist and Obama’s State Department who say they are among the “moderates” that we are financially supporting; and the State Department said, “oh, you can’t judge a group by one incident”! Well, beheading a 12 year old, that’s OK, as long as the next time they behead someone who’s 14? And then he described how they had women they were parading around in cages.
And the senator was clearly incensed, and he kept saying “What has happened to the United States? How can it be that my nation, which I’m supporting” [inaudible 21.29]. And that was what LaRouche was getting at I think, when he talked about the “Living Memorial,” that people would say, “oh, that’s just how it goes,” and [inaudible] substantial corruption and the toleration of that, and to hear him just lay it out, exactly what’s going on over there, [inaudible 21.59] eyewitness to these events. And then some of the descriptions also given by the ambassador on certain of the Saudis and their behavior and conduct around the world, and of course, in Saudi Arabia, is really reprehensible.
And that this would be tolerated, that the United States would consider calling a regime that conducts itself in that manner an “ally,” I think that is also extremely compelling, in terms of the necessity of the types of actions [inaudible 22.41] …. music.
ROGERS: And what it showed is that people’s cowardice can no longer be tolerated. And the question that we as citizens have the right to respond out of cowardice or fear far too often and for far too long from amongst our so-called leadership in the Congress. And it’s very important that the actions that have been taken over the past weekend and prior, around the 28 pages, and now the passing of the JASTA bill, took place at the time and the moment that it did.
But it does go far enough, and it has to go further, because these criminals have to be brought to justice. Obama has to be removed! And people cannot act out of fear any longer. I think that the courage that was exemplified by Senator Black, and the Syrian Ambassador who spoke at this event, really should have given people heart, and really said to the people who participated, who watched it, and those who are in positions of leadership right now.
Because what we’re looking at, the whole system is coming down for the British Empire, the trans-Atlantic financial system is in a trajectory toward total disintegration. So what do you have to protect? What do you have to be afraid of? I think what Rachel said about these firefighters, willing to go in, and sacrifice and risk their lives, for another human being whom they don’t even know, for humanity, this is the identity that anybody who is in a position of leadership has to be willing to do without question, without holding back whatsoever.
And I think we’re on the verge of a real victory for mankind, and this enemy, the enemies of mankind they are losing. It is a new paradigm. You know, this is not just a word, a nice phrase, “oh, we have a new paradigm”; but what is your role in bringing that into existence of the true nature of humanity. We do not go around protecting people who kill and slaughter, and go around parading their victims, as you just said, around in cages; and if you’re not just distraught and horrified by that, and ready to go out and taking on anybody who would do such a thing… [crosstalk]
STEGER: It’s worth probably mentioning that Sept. 8, last Thursday, was actually Lyndon LaRouche’s 94th birthday. And it’s really, to be a firefighter, you’re specifically deciding not to go along to get along at very hot moments! And we have a firefighter — people here know this — but he wrote a prayer, and he sent his badge and his helmet shield — he’s a captain — to be delivered to Battalion 57, which was done yesterday at the performance. But the prayer he wrote gives us a sense of what that means. And I got that same sense from Richard Black. He’s given many presentations and video interviews from his trips [to Syria], but this presentation was a subjective challenge to the population for a higher sense of morale. That is, he can’t just present to you that Assad’s not a dictator, the moderates are terrorists, and most of the population in Syria supports Assad now: These are facts.
It’s now a question of what are you going to do as the American people, to now act? Stop going along to get along, because where has it gotten us in the last 15 years? Total destruction, bankruptcy of the financial system, you can’t help but point out, we’re losing more money now than we were at the Lehman Brothers crash in September of 2008, we’ve got negative interest rates, the whole banking system is about to blow again.
I think Lyn, which I think for many of watching the show, and really Lyn has been the most significant political figure in the United States shaping what is now developing in Russia, in China, as a new economic system. There really is a moment for great victory, as Kesha just said.
It’s that morale that’s building up. It’s coming there, but people have to drop their cynicism, stop going down! Decide to go up! You’re going to have to go up every day, keep going up. But just drop the cynicism.
And that that really is the fight. The concert this weekend — well, we don’t even know yet what we’ve unleashed — but it’s that question: Take off the dirt of cynicism and let people get a sense of what it feels like to be optimistic, you’re going to fight for something again. Today, and a whole weekend of concerts, including tonight in Morristown, New Jersey, with the families of 9/11, is part of that, is part of this major intervention that we’re making.
One of the other things that we discussed — there might be more to say on the concerts — was this Presidential election. And Lyn had some strong things to say on subject. But people probably know, Hillary Clinton had a collapse of health; there’s a huge scandal of her health questions. It’s clearly a major question on her health, there’s no question of that. But there is a question of where is this actually coming from and wat is the real problem?
Lyn and Helga this morning — which I think it’s important that we clarify — Lyn’s outlook on this, because we are at a critical moment and our role as an organization is essential. So I’ll just open it up for people to discuss Lyn’s perspective on this, on what’s unfolding as a vacuum right now.
SARE: He stressed emphatically the role of Obama. Because people know that Hillary Clinton in 2008, was in a pitched battle with Obama, and all of a sudden, at a certain point, capitulated, partly in response to a massive influx [inaudible 30.38] coordinated by George Soros among others, and made a very unwise decision to take the post of Secretary of State for herself. And then capitulated perhaps most egregiously around Benghazi, and in effect is a destroyed person. The point of origin of this is the British Monarchy, the British Empire and 9/11, which has the potential to come out as we pursue the Saudi role and the Anglo-Saudi role in funding such an operation, such as through the Al Yamamah oil for weapons deal between Prince Bandar and Margaret Thatcher. And then the Obama administration.
And I think LaRouche also said that what is going to happen is unpredictable; we are not going to sit here and made prognostication about what’s going to happen before November, whether someone else is going to run, whether the elections might be postponed. This is all up in the air.
But what is very clear is that if Obama were to be thrown out, and frankly he should be in prison, if that were to occur, if justice were to be served on this 15th anniversary year of September 11th, 2001, then we would see something very different, than we’ve seen in other periods, as a result of that change. Something in keeping with the developments in the rest of the world, with the new paradigm.
But again, as has been raised here, the question of a lack of courage, this question of being willing to compromise with something which is completely immortal, is what in a sense creates the uncertainty of not knowing which way this will go. I’m very confident that if Obama were to be thrown out of office, and put behind bars with Cheney and Bush and Tony Blair, we would have a very much more optimistic perspective of the future.
STEGER: And Lyn was pretty specific. All the crimes that Hillary Clinton was engaged in with the wars and atrocities that developed over these last eight years, especially on foreign policy, this was Obama: This was Obama as a mass murderer, as a mass killer. And her health problems really began to unfold as soon as she — I think they began in 2009, soon after she took a position in the Obama administration. And you look at a “before” and “after” picture of Hillary Clinton, you can see the level devastation in terms of her wellbeing, her emotional outlook, her political commitment; but it’s more important to look at what’s happened to the country, the devastation to the nation, the devastation to the world, the bankruptcy of the trans-Atlantic, the devastation of Africa, the devastation to the space program, the shutdown down of any advanced technological aspects of our economy, ripped apart. And there was a resistance.
This lack of unity that we see today did not exist in 2008. The hatred and despising of Bush and Cheney by 80% of the population, who were ready to go with a Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy orientation as a perspective, Glass-Steagall perspective was onto people then. And it was Obama who took it down! [crosstalk 34.33]
…people just sitting back and waiting. The question under these circumstances, you have an immediate crisis, you have no real capable Presidential candidates right now who can function, because you have no one denouncing the guy who’s been committing mass murder for the last eight years! And I really thing that that is the role that we play, and anyone with any courage in this country has got to come out and make that very clear. If you can begin to find some sense of freedom, a freedom of emotion to act again, to act as Americans, to do what we should associate with America, where you actually do thinks of the benefit of the other. That’s more the political question than anything about the election.
SARE: [inaudible 35.33] … just state that Congress may have some session between now and the November election and it’s not clear whether Obama’s going to attempt to veto the JASTA bill, for example; it is also not clear that Glass-Steagall would be brought up for a vote, but it should be.
But again, you see the absolute cowardice and gutlessness of the Congress. So I would say in this period, that no one should be idle because these questions are absolutely crucial and any of your Federal representatives that raise their heads at any public events over the next week, should be absolutely confronted on where they stand on these matters, don’t they thing that President Obama should be impeached? If he moves to veto JASTA is that a one-way ticket to — for example, these are things that have to be raised by the population. As Mike said, this is not a waiting game; this is not a spectator sport. We really have a great moment of opportunity and if the population continues in this direction, so that Glass-Steagall is brought into effect, Wall Street is bankrupted and crushed, there is a means to pull the nation back together through LaRouche’s Four Laws, which are system of national banking; a system of credit which allows you to create the funding necessary not only for great projects of infrastructure which are so urgently needed, but for the space program and for a fusion science-driver, which will inspire the population in a way that is commensurate with the response that we’re seeing to the Mozart Requiem.
ROGERS: Yeah, that’s true. Don’t underestimate how desperate and insane Obama is, and the enemy; and he’s crazy enough to try to veto the JASTA bill in a period of a recess. He’s done these cowardly things and tried to put through a recess veto of something when Congress is not in session. It’s already clear that he just has to be removed, now; there’s no playing games.
But I think as you just said, it makes it more clear right now that people are looking for that which is going to turn this nation around, and that is optimistic, that can actually bring together the nation. And the best thing that can bring the nation is participating in something in something profound and something truly human. And that’s what we’re seeing right now in potential, that coming from across the world, particularly coming from China with what they’re doing with the space program, bringing 700 million people out of poverty. It’s interesting, the presentation that Senator Black gave on Saturday, at the Schiller Institute conference, that you look at a nation like Syria, that can honor the life of Christ, in both equally shared Christian and Muslim nation, and that they can come together as humans. Because it is the idea that we all have a shared, common interest and commitment as human beings. We all want to actually explore the stars; we all want to actually come to understand what this Universe, what the Creator has put us on this Earth to be able to discover who we are as human beings, and to better improve that human identity.
And no matter what your background is, religious or otherwise, that is the identity and commitment that we all can share, and the best way to do that, as I’ve mentioned on many occasions, and this is the principle in identity that Krafft Ehricke shared, that when you are exploring space and conquering the stars, there’s no weapons, there’s no divisions of borders, there’s no religious differences: That everybody is actually participating that is truly human and truly great. And that’s what we have to come to understand. This is not about a space program as “this is our space program, and that’s their space program, and we’re going to have a division”; but this is the only thing that we have that can free mankind of this horrific injustices that have been done again human beings.
And I think that China and India and Russia and these other nations are moving in the right direction. And when you talk to people about what we can accomplish if we revive our space program — there’s a lot of discussion right now on what the European Space Agency is doing, and their commitment to work with China — otherwise, that we have a great destiny in store for all of mankind.
SARE: I think that’s an excellent place to close this discussion, very appropriate. So, I think that concludes our discussion for this Sept. 12th, stay tuned to larouchepac.com. If you haven’t already, you should subscribe to our YouTube channel. And we’ll see you next week.