BENJAMIN DENISTON: Hi! Welcome to the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee show for Monday, December 26, 2016. I’m Benjamin Deniston; I’ll be hosting the discussion today. I’m joined in the studio by Diane Sare, who’s normally out of the New York-New Jersey area, but took a trek down to see us this week. And we’re also joined by Bill Roberts from Detroit, Michigan; by Dave Christie from Seattle, Washington; Kesha Rogers, [from] Houston, Texas; and from the San Francisco Bay area, we have Michael Steger.
Just to open the discussion, as usual, we were lucky and privileged to have a discussion with Lyndon and Helga LaRouche this morning. They laid out a certain important framework for this week and the coming period. So, I want to turn it over to Diane Sare, who’s going to elaborate some of what they raised.
DIANE SARE: Thanks. For of all, today, December 26th has been declared a national day of mourning in Russia, because the day before yesterday their time, you had a terrible tragedy of a plane crash. The plane was carrying 60 members of the Alexandrov Chorus — otherwise known as the Red Army Choir; also other people — journalists, a very important medical doctor who was doing relief work in the Donbass region. But this group of musicians and dancers were on their way to perform for Russian troops in Syria, where as we know, but many of our viewers may not be aware, they have celebrated Christmas in Aleppo for the first time in five years. There’s an extraordinary situation there where because of Putin’s September 2015, President Bashar al-Assad is regaining control of the nation. The U.S. media — liberal British media — calls this the city of Aleppo having “fallen”; which is outrageous. They’ve been under the control of the alleged “moderate” Syrian rebels; and now they’ve just announced they’re discovering mass graves around Aleppo, where people have been shot in the back of the head and their organs are missing. So, this is what our wonderful “moderate” Syrian rebels have done. But at any rate, you have Russian and Syrian soldiers — people remember the Palmyra concert of last year — who have been truly heroic; and now it’s a group of martyrs. I have to say the chorus is phenomenal; I was watching a video of some of their performances this morning. They’ve been in existence since 1926; the guy who founded the chorus, Alexandrov, actually was the composer of the national anthem of the Soviet Union, now the anthem of the Russian Federation. It’s an orchestra, a chorus, and dancers; it’s all patriotic, so the program I watched had Russian folk songs, Russian dances. They had groups of dancers doing Cossack dances. It’s a jewel of Russia, so it’s a terrible loss. I just would like to say on behalf of LaRouche PAC, that we are in solidarity with the Russian population that has suffered this terrible loss over these days.
Now further, the Russians are investigating this; they have 3,000 people involved in a search mission to get the pieces from the crash. The part of the Black Sea where the plane crashed is not terribly deep, so they’ll probably be recovering a lot of material for the investigation of what actually occurred. They haven’t determined what the cause is so far; they’re not saying anything on that. We just had earlier, a week ago today, the horrible assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey, on the eve of the talks between Turkey, Iran, and Russia to stabilize the nation of Syria now that Aleppo has been brought back under the control of the government of Syria. Preliminary results show that this police guard, whoever he was, who shot the ambassador, had been at the time of the coup in July of last year in Irbil, Iraq; where you have a large CIA headquarters, and his phone had been turned off for six hours while he was there. So, the Russians are investigating that as well.
I’ll just say that I think we’re in a period of some turbulence. We have a world revolution underway, as Helga Zepp-LaRouche says, against globalization; it’s really against the British Empire, it’s against a bankrupt, rotten system. The people trying to uphold that rotten system — like Angela Merkel or François Hollande — are finding themselves quite unpopular. It’s not working; and the populations of these nations are voting overwhelmingly against this dead legacy. That’s what happened in the Brexit vote in the U.K.; that’s what happened in Italy when they tried to impose a kind of European Central Bank dictatorship over that country; and that’s emphatically what happened in the United States in the recent elections — contrary to what George Soros and other people want to make of it. It was a rejection of the Bush-Obama post-9/11 legacy; and I think we have a great potential for a new kind of collaboration between the U.S., Russia, and China. A new kind of policy on economy, starting emphatically with the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act; and it’s really up to us to play a leading role in putting these things on the agenda.
DENISTON: It’s probably worth highlighting too that in the discussion, Helga emphasized that there’s going to be — as stated in some of the reports we’ve gotten — 2017 is going to be a consolidation of this whole Belt and Road initiative globally. She highlighted two summits which I don’t think we have the full details on yet, but are going to be major defining factors in the continued consolidation of this new global paradigm. There’s going to be a Belt and Road summit, which is going to pull together all the heads of state of all the nations involved in the Belt and Road initiative; which, as we know, is growing globally. And there’s going to be a BRICS summit. Again, these are going to be two additional keystones in 2017 around which there will be further consolidation. Another thing we’re watching very closely, is Russia’s work leading the Eurasian Economic Union, which is kind of its own economic bloc of development looking to integrate fully with the Belt and Road initiative; which I think is another key major step in bringing the Belt and Road initiative to the full World Land-Bridge perspective that our organization has defined. So, as a counterpoint, those are two leading items coming up this next year that just absolutely underscore and show that the world is moving in a new direction; whether or not George Soros, Hillary Clinton, or Angela Merkel — whatever they want to do, or say, or kick and scream, or anything they want. That’s not going to stop what’s happening.
I think it’s worth looking at that in contrast to these tragic and chaotic terrorist incidents that have been happening recently; and they should be seen in that context. This assassination, etc.; there’s a certain desperation on the side of Obama, the British, and the people behind him. But it’s coming from the fact that history is moving in a new direction. And as you were saying, that defines the framework for 2017 for the United States. We need to get LaRouche’s economic policy in place in the United States; the United States can join into this new historical paradigm. So I think, as we’ve been discussion this whole past year plus, this new paradigm is emerging; its coming into being in 2017 is showing to be a very critical inflection point in that whole process.
SARE: That’s right. I’ll just — go ahead, Kesha.
KESHA ROGERS: I think the moment we’re in right now is really reflected in what we’ve been discussing on a real cultural and spiritual transformation within the people of the United States of America to recognize that is we’re going to reverse the last 16 years of Bush-Obama murder spree — but more importantly, what Obama has represented. There was an article that just came out today, where in the midst of this tragedy that just happened with the crash of the Russian plane, there was an article that Obama was gloating that if he were able to have a third term, he could easily beat Trump. That what he’s done has been the best thing for the nation, and the people need him. This is just complete insanity! This is what you’re dealing with — a President who’s off-hinge in the United States where there’s a complete movement that’s going on right now to reverse this cultural wreckage that we’ve seen that has been the result of a British Empire that wants to promote a policy to kill off half or more of the world’s population. There’s a revolt that we’ve seen as a result of this election campaign, as a result of what we reported before with what has happened in Europe with the continued fight there going back to the Brexit vote. I think this is important, because the political shift in terms of what people have done to denounce what has been the ongoing trend that has set nations back in terms of real progress is important to note; but that’s not going to be enough. It’s not going to be enough for people to just fight against the evil. The question is, what do you want to bring in, in its place? It’s extremely important to reflect as the President Putin of Russia has called for a national day of mourning; because you’ve had a loss here of great musicians and others whose lives are valuable, as any other human life. It’s a moment right now where we really have to bring into focus the quality of a new fight for the creativity of the human mind, for a new cultural transformation that we should actually be having musical concerts of Classical compositions in dedication to these individuals and others in the fight. It’s not just that we’re going to fight and we’re going to reject these evil policies; but we are going to bring something of a new conception of man into existence. That’s what Mr. LaRouche’s Four Laws are about; that’s what’s at the foundation of Lyndon LaRouche’s Four Laws.
Right now, that has to be the key. We have to stop this policy of war; we have to stop this policy of killing that’s going on right now; and we have to unite the nations together around a common interest for mankind. Anybody in political leadership who is acting against that, is not fit to lead and should be completely removed from political leadership. I think that’s the key thing right now. I think this is a wake-up call to people in the United States and elsewhere that we have to defeat this evil; and we have to know what we’re fighting to bring into existence, and Mr. LaRouche has defined that very clearly.
DAVID CHRISTIE: Yeah, Kesha, I think it’s important that you identified the need for this upshift. But as long as Obama is still on the scene, I think we go back to what Mr. LaRouche identified a couple of Fridays ago; that this man is a killer. It’s his pedigree; it’s his training; it’s his upbringing. LaRouche identified his stepfather as being critical to that. As we have seen, he will unleash murder. But I also think that it’s very important that as we keep the pressure up on Obama as you just identified, we have to know where we’re going. And where humanity is going is something different than we’ve ever experienced before. I think it’s obviously a critical shift that’s occurred; I just want to refer back to Sergei Glazyev’s statement in the wake of the election results in the United States where he made the point that this may be the first time that humanity could have a major change in the economic paradigm without a world war. Now, given what we see with Trump’s willingness to restore relations with Russia; apparently he’s bringing Kissinger in, or some reports are that he’s bringing Kissinger in for establishing that kind of discussion. There are other things that are bit less clear on the Chinese situation, but there’s potential there.
But the real point is, is whatever people think they’re going to drag from the old paradigm to the new paradigm, including what people often refer to around the Eurasian Economic Union, or the CSTO that this is just a revival of the old Soviet system, it’s not. Because what we’re dealing with is something that has really been long fight. If you go back to the Non-Aligned Movement that some of the issues that have been raised around these nations who have been keep from developing; the Wall Street/ London crowd, the British Empire has waged wars and coups, and so forth, to prevent the nations of the underdeveloped nations from actually developing.
So this is a long-term battle that is now potentially coming to where this battle can be won. But it has to be seen that mankind is going for something new. It’s the old geopolitical game any longer, but that through the Silk Road, through the conceptual approach of the BRICS, which we know the conceptual approach of both the Silk Road and the BRICS concept, because Mr. LaRouche and his wife Helga have been shaping this fight for decades now. And it has to be seen also from the standpoint of LaRouche’s economic policies, as Kesha just identified and Ben referred to with the Four Laws, that the value on the planet will now be seen in terms of progress. It is not going to be seen in terms of how the Wall Street/London crowd, the Goldman Sachs types have viewed to manipulate nations and turn them into debt slaves; that this world can no longer exist because of what China emphatically is doing, but nations that are now collaborating with them are now defining value from an entirely different standpoint, through progress, and emphatically scientific and technological progress as you can see with the space program, we see with their commitment to fusion, that this now will define value and relations among nations, but it’s something that has not been seen before. And therefore, to drag the old paradigm, or the old thinking on the way this is going to work, just doesn’t function.
So I think that’s what we have to get across to the Trump administration, that they have to give up their old concepts are, and frankly the American people as well: just give up the old system, and find out what the new system is.
SARE: In terms of what Kesha had referenced on the loss of these musicians, I’ve been also reflecting in the last days, on the high regard that Russia holds its martyrs in. Which is an important thing, because it gives you a sort of internal strength and resolve to make sure that their lives had meaning. If you think about the marches we participated in all over the country, of the “Immortal Regiment,” the World War II veterans, who fought fascism, and people would carry a portrait of their World War II relative — there was a grandfather, a great-uncle or grandmother, someone in their family, people who were nurses on the battlefield, things like that. And then, I was thinking again of the Palmyra concert, of the two heroes, the curator of the artifacts of the museum who refused to reveal where they were hidden, even under conditions of torture and ultimately execution; the young Russian soldier who called in an air strike on himself, because he was surrounded by ISIS.
And then I was thinking about the victories that we just had in the United States that paved the way for the defeat of the Bush-Obama legacy, in terms of the defeat of Hillary Clinton, which was the series of 9/11 concerts, and the intense outpouring of emotion and passion for the lives of the first responders, in particular, who rushed into the danger to rescue others. And there were stories of individual firefighters who couldn’t get there because the bridges were closed, who ran, and made several trips to rescue people, before finally, the coming and so on.
And I think that is a trust which gives people a certain kind of — well, it’s not even courage; I would say passion, or inspirations, where, when the Saudis came in, with all of their money and all of their threats and all of the nasty things they do in Washington, no one buckled and there wasn’t an inclination to buckle. And when Obama and his satanically evil self came out in support of the Saudi apparatus that ran 9/11 and vetoed JASTA, the Senate voted nearly unanimously, 97-1, to override it. And I don’t think people found that decision difficult.
And in a sense, what’s before us now is to think of some of these people, like emphatically Alexander Hamilton who was assassinated by Aaron Burr, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, whose birthday is coming up, to say, “what is the trust that we hold that the United States is going to return to our legacy?” But not return to something in the past, but a principle which is the standpoint from which we would join with China on this Belt and Road, with the commitment to lift all of mankind out of poverty and to lift all of mankind out of our Solar System, they’re sort of one and the same.
DENISTON: Mm-hmm, I think that’s absolutely appropriate. In the discussion, looking at the people you were referencing, Bobby Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, you look at the situation they were in, they were fighting against a shift in the United States, which we’re now seeing the potential to break from, finally. I was just struck, thinking back to the post-Franklin Roosevelt shift: You look at what Franklin Roosevelt’s vision for the post-war world was, that’s finally coming into being, now. It’s been delayed by a couple generations, by this totally disgusting imperial policy we’ve been referencing here, of completely denying nations the right to develop, running regime change, all this stuff. But you look at Franklin Roosevelt’s vision, his collaboration with Stalin, their outlook towards the world and that was completely disrupted. And you had these people, Martin Luther King, John Kennedy, they wanted to end the Vietnam War, they wanted to end the Cold War, they wanted to turn the Cold War into a collaboration in space for the common aims of mankind — and their lives were taken for that, for fighting back.
And now we have a chance to actualize what they had fought for, to bring that into being, and to take that even further. And I think that kind of historical perspective, in recognizing, now we have on our shoulders the obligation to carry forward what these people had fought for, and they have given their lives for, fighting against this whole process. But that is a process that’s now breaking down globally, that’s what’s so important about the leadership of Putin, of China and Russia right now: They have completely overturned the post-Franklin Roosevelt, the Truman/Churchill system of attempting to have this Anglo-American empire of zero growth on the planet, that’s gone.
As we’re saying, this is the time for Americans to be American again. Recognize your role as an American to embody the true principles, the actual ideas that this nation was founded upon and to continue that legacy.
ROGERS: And every single one of the figures that Diane just mentioned, the fight that they waged was also a fight to end not only the physical enslavement of the human being, but the enslavement of the human mind, and that is emphatic with the works of Alexander Hamilton and what he represented. And also, that is going to be the essential aspect of the fight around the exploration of space: You’re talking about not just a question of what people “like” about space exploration or what’s going to be most cost effective, but you’re really saying what is the most essential to demonstrate the quality of the extraterrestrial imperative of mankind in further advancing the creativity of man in the universe? And you cannot have a society which rejects this creativity which is essential and actually that which is possessed by every single human being.
I was just thinking about it yesterday; I had the opportunity to go see the new film called “Hidden Figures,” and it’s beautiful. It’s based on the book Hidden Figures: The American Dream and the Untold Story of the Black Women Mathematicians Who Helped Win the Space Race by Margot Lee Shetterly. And on the advancements of women in space, but particularly this book focussed on the three heroines, African American women in the space program. And the importance of this, was, throughout the movie the question of the conception of a truly creative identity is represented in human beings no matter if you’re female, if you’re male, if you’re black, if you’re white, or any other color. And that the purpose of the space program, is that you have to give every single child the opportunity to be able to investigate the stars; to be able to see their role in being inspired by that which is the unknown, that which is creative.
And so, I thought about that, because that’s what’s missing right now. The point is, is that we really have to take this fight to the level that every single child should be able to participate in this identity and this quality of what it means to be human, the potential for every child to be creative and for every child to be able to investigate what the universe really is, and to investigate the stars.
But that’s the point. The objective of Obama, the British and others is to take away that creative identity, or take away that potential for every human being to be able to do that, by not allowing for the United States to pursue this aim, and to actually put it more in the hands of private, profit-making figures who are not thinking about the higher identity of why we go out into space. And that’s why I think the fight around a national space mission, that’s coming up more often now I going to be an extremely fight, and we’re going to continue to be at the forefront of that fight, because we have to make sure that the space program is the center point for this new drive for the inspiration of the population.
Michael STEGER: What’s striking about the discussion so far and probably appropriately given the changes that are taking place on the planet, there’s a question of civilization that much of the United States and Western Europe have lost, this longer arc, this deeper sense. You see this in how Russia has a sense of its heritage going back; there’s a certain cherished quality of the contributions individuals make to the civilization of that nation or that culture, and that’s what’s largely been lost.
It’s the same as I think what Kesha’s raising with the space program. Because in that mission, that Kennedy and others had put forward, there was a sense of civilization developing. There was a sense of civilization developing; there was a mark of civilization moving forward in an advancement. And today you have a culture, you know, people try to make a big deal of saying “Merry Christmas,” in a certain sense it’s funny — maybe you don’t have this as much out there, but on the West Coast, you still see the contention around it. People want to remove these holidays; they want to make them generic, just homogeneous qualities. There’s a loss of an actual part of civilization itself.
And I think one of the things worth mentioning, it’s the same on this financial crisis, and the financial system that needs to be set up to foster this overall shift on the planet today. This financial crisis is real: We saw this last week with the Italian banks. We saw this last time in 2008: They start with a small, $20 billion bail-out fund for Italy, but this thing can expand. The foot’s in the door. They just can’t help themselves but continue to print more money and bail out more banks, and we know that any set of small banks can become a massive conduit for the whole system, but this thing is set to blow and there’s no way the population is going to accept this kind of bail-out program again.
So I think these questions we’re asking, you can’t address the financial crisis from the standpoint of local circumstances, or simply from an attempt to prevent something bad from happening. You have to situate it, I think, in the way we’ve been discussing it: Which is this civilization. It’s the same as the space program; it’s the same as the United States, Russia and China working together , it’s a massive change on the planet. This kind of potential has never existed before. It’s a new potential for mankind as a civilization. I think that quality is just so important right now.
Bill ROBERTS: I think that’s completely right. And you can see that Putin’s relationship, his conception of culture, what he initiated with the Palmyra concert that Diane referred to that celebrated the lost lives of these men, who gave everything to defend a certain cultural heritage and a certain sovereignty of nations and lives of others. Putin’s relationship to this chorus, which Diane was mentioning earlier: Putin had intervened directly to save the integrity and the existence this national chorus at one point by not making them have to rely on touring with a Finnish punk band to have the funding they needed to be able to continue to exist.
And Putin was posed a question recently by a reporter who mentioned, ironically, that it was the party of Ronald Reagan, where you have 37% of Republicans that actually approve of Vladimir Putin’s leadership. And he said, “Do you think Reagan would be rolling in his grave? And Putin said: No, I don’t think so. I think Reagan would approve. I think Franklin Roosevelt would be rolling in his grave, because of the condition of and the denial of the leadership of the Democratic Party.
And he identified that there’s a whole core of the American population that has a kind of core values that line up with this kind of sense of a defense of Western civilization, that Putin has spoken of, as Michael was just bringing up.
But it’s not going to be set into motion, and this is the important thing, unless you have the type of thing that we did with the concerts that we’ve held in New York City: Because, after all, what is Classical culture, but that which actually allows your civilization to avoid tragedy by being able to gain the courage to confront everything that’s failed, by taking a deeper look into what really is the capability and the nature of human immortality. And there has to be an access to that directly, which is why you need the space program.
But Putin clearly understands this, and we are going to have to at least radiate that quality, even if we don’t have a President that has that quality, it’s going to have to radiate in one way or another, if the American population is going to be able to avert tragedy.
SARE: One aspect of that, I mean, we are very fortunate to have Lyndon LaRouche for that kind of leadership in the United States. And I was just thinking, it is almost about 50 years, give or take a year or two, since he created this association of co-thinkers. So you look at his work over this long arc, beginning, I guess his earliest economic forecast was the 1950s, when he saw what the auto industry was doing and how they were marketing the cars with a debt that was going to outlast the car; and then his forecast that Nixon was going to take down the Bretton Woods system, which Nixon promptly did by removing the dollar from the gold reserve system; and then LaRouche’s work with his wife, traveling to Berlin on Columbus Day in 1988, calling for the Berlin Wall to come down.
And that was very clear, in a sense, in terms of what we’re looking at today. Because he knew, he had forecast in ’83, when the Soviet Union had rejected LaRouche’s and Reagan’s proposal on the Strategic Defense Initiative, he warned them that they were going to disintegrate economically. That is exactly what happened. He knew they were on precipice of that disintegration and called for the reunification of Germany, and was right on the mark. And instead, the Bush family apparatus had him thrown in prison during that period, to prevent the great potential that existed then from being realized.
Now, we’re in the moment when the other shoe has dropped, the so-called free trade globalized system is itself hopelessly, thoroughly bankrupt: No amount of bailouts is going to help, and he has taken a…
DENISTON: Which Helga LaRouche had also forecast, at the fall of the Wall. She had said somewhat famously, if you try and replace this bankrupt Soviet system with an equally bankrupt Western free trade system, you’re just going to head to a worse collapse.
SARE: Exactly. Exactly — so, what he’s now put on the table about two years ago, in the form of these Four Laws, is an effect an updating of Alexander Hamilton’s papers on Credit, on National Banking, and particularly, the Subject of Manufactures; but what LaRouche has done is to take that in a form directly applicable to today’s crisis, starting very importantly with the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, which I just really want to emphasize, because President-elect Trump did call for this just two weeks before the general election, and this is one of the most controversial measures that exists. It’s likely to be reintroduced when Congress comes back into session right off the bat. But for those of us who have been in some of these conferences of state legislators and others, you’ll recall that anyone who had a Glass-Steagall bill, as soon as they came out of any conference room, there would be 13 bank lobbyists following them down the hall to prevent it.
DENISTON: Threatening them, yes.
SARE: So, it’s the first step to what we have to bear in mind, the driver, which is the question of human creativity, the question of what is the species-characteristic of mankind.
DENISTON: Right. You’re talking about a complete reorganization of the U.S. economy, under LaRouche’s Four Laws. And I think the key thing is once you Glass-Steagall, you can’t reverse it at that point. That is a recognition that this thing is gone, and we need a completely new reorganization of the U.S. financial but also economic system, the thing that’s also why it’s so critical. Getting Glass-Steagall is a recognition and a commitment that we’re going to have to completely reorganize and reshape the U.S. economy.
It’s not a half-measure that can go one way or the other way. If you get that in, it’s a declaration of war against Wall Street, against these speculators, and it’s really a commitment to going all the way. So I think it’s definitely critical to have that in the front of our mind immediately, and I think it’s probably appropriate given the time period we’re at right now. We just had a somewhat agonizing primary process for months; we had these debates, we had the elections; and now, probably most Americans, are saying “Now I’m done with politics for the next four years, maybe two,” if they think they’re more political than others and get involved in the congressional elections.
But no, this is the time to act now. The elections are done, that process is over. But now we have the opportunity to shape what the actual policy is. And politics does not end at the election cycle.
SARE: No. Although I think this time, people don’t really feel like they’re done. You have the pathetic, Soros-funded crew who think they’re going to protest Trump just as a matter of non-principle; and then you have the people who supported Trump for all different reasons who — they want to see what actually happens. Because I think the American people are at a point now where they will not survive, unless this is changed.
We heard the figures last week that came out: You had 50,000 people die in 2015 of either painkillers, prescribed or heroin overdoses — 50,000 Americans in one year, dead of this. So there is a desperate need for a correct policy to come through, and I think people are actually on a kind alert mode. The problem is they’re not necessarily clear on what needs to be done, which is why what LaRouche has put forward what we’re presenting here is so important.
ROGERS: I would also note that there was an uptick in the numbers of people who are supporters or LaRouche PAC watchers and activists, who ordered the book released by EIR of Alexander Hamilton’s writings and Mr. LaRouche’s Four Laws. (The Vision of Alexander Hamilton) This is quite the appropriate time to order those books as Christmas gifts, but not to have them sitting on the coffee table, but to pull them out and start to gather friends, and family members and others, to have readings, has some people have already started, of the Hamilton writings and LaRouche’s Four Laws. Because going into this Presidential inauguration, that is going to be key to defining the new Presidency and what has to be adopted as has already been stated. But I wanted to make that point, because I think that, as we reflect on Alexander Hamilton, also, remembering that he was the person right at George Washington’s side during the Christmas and this period going into the New Year, during the defeat of the British attack against our United States.
So it is appropriate right now that we escalate in the fight to make the true Alexander Hamilton known to the American people and to the world, and start to get some readings and other activity to educate the population, and to particularly educate on LaRouche’s method in terms of his understanding of Alexander Hamilton for today.
SARE: We do have the video to that effect up on the LaRouche PAC website, LaRouche’s Four Laws, — https://larouchepac.com/20161209/new-era-united-states— which everyone should watch over this period, and watch again.
DENISTON: It defines a rather clear orientation for the new week and the New Year. So, I think that’s good for today, and we look forward to seeing you in 2017. And it should be a very exciting and active year.