Manhattan Town Hall event with Helga Zepp-LaRouche (with transcript)


Schiller Institute founder and Chairwoman Helga Zepp-LaRouche appeals to Americans to go fully with China’s “Win Win” new paradigm of global cooperation as the only means of solving the horrific economic breakdown crisis now sweeping the trans-Atlantic world. Mrs. Zepp-LaRouche further called on all Americans to fully mobilize between now and President Trump’s expected visit to China in November to insure that result, and insisted that, as in 15th century Europe, a great world renaissance is again possible.


DENNIS SPEED:  My name is Dennis Speed, and on behalf of the LaRouche Political Action Committee, I’d like to welcome everybody here for today’s meeting on September 30, 2017.  There are a few things I want to say to introduce our keynote speaker.

The China-Russia-United States alliance that is the basis for the greatest change in the history of humanity in the last 500 years — and maybe for the next 500 years — largely depends on the work of this organization and today’s keynote speaker in particular.  I want to refer to the year 1989, which began with the incarceration of Lyndon LaRouche, and concluded with the fall of the Berlin Wall.  In both of those events, our keynote speaker was very involved.  One was a great crime that set the United States on its present course; and one was a great miracle that operated according to the principles of the institute which she had founded — the Schiller Institute.  There was another event that happened that year that I’ll just briefly reference and then say something about in a moment; which was that our speaker spoke in Rome at a particular extraordinary conference which was celebrating the 550th anniversary of the Council of Florence. That great council which Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa, as part of a general conspiracy organized by humanists in Italy, tried to reunify the Church around what can be called the Catholic Concordance, or the Great Principle of Unity; which later on became very much in evidence only really at  the time of the founding of the United States.  Also at the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.  I don’t want to say more about that, I just wanted to reference it because it’s an event we often don’t talk about.

We have a weapon that we’ve just — well, two — and the one that I think will briefly refer to is the one you know; we talk about it all the time.  The New Silk Road Becomes the World Land-Bridge.  Because it was in the year 1989 in a response to the fall of the Berlin Wall, that the process of formulating this policy first began; then it was brought to a certain level of fruition during the period of 1991.  But it was Helga, and Lyn from jail, organizing this policy which eventually then took shape in China, particularly in the summer of 1996; and it has now become the dominant strategic reality of the world.  This week we’ve released a particular weapon in our fight, because you’ve got to fight against evil to cause the good alternative to become real.  This Executive Intelligence Review magazine on Bob Mueller, political assassin, discusses not merely what is happening to the President of the United States today, but why what is happening to the President of the United States is happening.  I won’t take a lot of time on that, but I’ll just make the point that Lyndon LaRouche’s case is the way to understand the case against Trump.  Both are completely “trumped up”; both are completely made up and are being done by the same people.  The same people who put LaRouche in jail and the same people who are going after Donald Trump; namely, British imperial interests.

But we have to fight the fight on two levels, and what’s important is that consistently throughout the years this idea of a new world in which the principles of the poet Friedrich Schiller become the dominant means of diplomacy — that poets actually become the acknowledged legislators of the world — has been the unique contribution of our keynote speaker, the founder of the Schiller Institute.  We now are in a situation where we are able to seriously talk about the concept that the principle she put forward, particularly in 1989 through now with Lyn, are capable of creating an entirely different world on the most advanced cultural level ever.  This President of the United States can be the vehicle for that.  The only reason that’s really true though, is because of her extraordinary work and Lyn’s extraordinary work, and the fact that there are a few of us who, at least on occasion, decide to drop our own problems and listen to them.  And then try to see if we can engage in the kind of dialogue that can advance all humanity at a very rapid rate.

It’s always my honor and pleasure, and it’s always an honor and pleasure to listen to, not merely introduce but to hear Helga LaRouche, the founder of the Schiller Institute.

HELGA ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  Let me say “hello” to you.  I’m very happy to be able to speak to you.  I would like to start actually with the grave crisis the United States is in because of these hurricanes.  On the one side, naturally it is absolutely terrible for the people who have suffered losses; lives have been lost, property has been lost, lives have been destabilized.  But I think, as many times in human history, a great crisis can be turned into a great chance.  The reason why I’m saying that is you have President Trump, who said some extraordinary things in respect to Puerto Rico.  He said that this has never been seen before, such a degree of devastation; but that this will be the greatest recovery ever.  The only problem which has to be dealt with is what to do about the debt of Puerto Rico; but he earlier said that public-private works don’t function, PPP doesn’t function.  So therefore you have now a situation where not only Texas, Florida, some of the other southern states have been devastated, but what the hurricane did to Puerto Rico is absolutely devastating.  The entire little infrastructure which existed there has been wiped out; and despite massive military efforts right now to reconstruct, something very fundamental has to be done.  While that is right now a situation where what we have been saying the whole time, that given the abysmal condition of the infrastructure in the United States, you know the situation in New York.  But also the roads are terrible, there is no fast train system; you have a terrible economic collapse, you have a collapsing life expectancy.  If you ever want to have a parameter for a collapsing society, then it is surely that.

So we have said the whole time that given the fact that Congress is what it is, the neo-cons in the Republican Party are what they are; that only a bipartisan coalition implementing the Four Laws of Mr. LaRouche — Glass-Steagall; a national bank; a credit system — would provide the kind of financing which is necessary to do the reconstruction not only of Puerto Rico but of the entire United States.  We also have said the whole time that given the strategic environment, the only thing which makes sense would be that the United States takes up the offer of President Xi Jinping and joins with the New Silk Road.  And that the United States would allow Chinese investments in infrastructure; allowing the Chinese to use their approximately $1.4 trillion in Treasury bonds to invest them into American infrastructure. That is the case.

In addition, one can say it is more urgent than ever before, because all the signs are mounting that we are in front of new financial crisis much worse than that of 2008.  Because all the parameters which existed in 2007-2008 are there, but they are much worse because the central banks in these almost 10 years did absolutely nothing to remove the causes for the crash.  Therefore you have now an absolutely hopeless financial situation where almost daily now, here and there, somebody is warning against the danger of a crash.  So it is absolutely urgent.

We have now the last day of September; that means we have about six weeks until President Trump will go on a tour to Asia, where he will visit several Asian countries.  But especially, as it looks now, and Secretary of State Tillerson is presently in Beijing preparing that; as it looks now, Trump will have a big state visit to China in November in the context of this Asia trip.  If you go back to April when President Trump was meeting with President Xi Jinping in Mar-a-Lago, in a quite significant reversal to what Trump had said during the election campaign, he did not continue China-bashing; but he founded something which he has called repeatedly a friendship with President Xi Jinping.  He repeatedly has said that he likes the Chinese, that they are a great people; and indeed, what has developed since, is a very important strategic partnership and relationship between President Trump and President Xi Jinping.

In April, we started a mobilization, demanding that President Trump should attend the Belt and Road Forum in May. Well, this fell short of its objective a little bit, but we succeeded to create an environment where Trump sent a very important envoy, Matt Pottinger, who attended the Belt and Road Forum.  Out of this whole process developed four strategic dialogues which are functioning, and which have resulted in prospects to potentially solve major hotspots like North Korea. As a matter of fact, just now, Secretary of State Tillerson in Beijing said that there are two or three back channels to North Korea.  At the same time, a North Korean delegation was in Moscow, where Moscow signalled its readiness to start a political and diplomatic solution; which obviously would involve Russia, China, and the United States.  So, this thing is working; and I would suggest that we go on an equal or even more mobilization like we did in April to try to get President Trump to the Beijing Belt and Road Forum.  That we somehow use this crisis in the United States to say what is needed right now to get out of this, is the immediate implementation of Glass-Steagall and the Four Laws of Mr. LaRouche; but in combination that this strategic alliance between the United States and China must be consolidated whereby the United States becomes part of the World Land-Bridge.

Now, there are some problems.  One is Mr. Bannon, who may have some merits, but he for sure is wrong on his policy on China.  He just practically declared war on China, saying China is the biggest problem, the biggest threat.  They are stealing American technology just to incorporate it and become a competitor.  He said all kinds of things which are really — I don’t know if he’s just badly informed, or he is ideologically so much in the geopolitical game that he can’t see what is actually going on; I can’t say for sure.  But obviously the fact is that the Obama-Hillary establishment faction, the neo-cons in the Republican Party, they are all against an alliance of the United States with Russia and China; because that would end their geopolitical game and aim to get a unipolar world which they have been very explicit on trying to achieve.  Now you have, in addition to that, the Bannon factor trying to work on Trump to try to pit him against China.  I think this is strategic, and we absolutely have to counter that because the knowledge or the perception about what China is actually doing in the West is absolutely wrong.

Let me again throw in my authority, so to speak, because I’m not pretending to be an expert on China; by no means.  But I can say that a lot of my life story has been interwoven with being not involved, but being privileged to see the gigantic rise of China.  I was in China the first time in 1971, during the Cultural Revolution, and I visited many times since ’96 when we had already the worked-out proposal for a Eurasian Land-Bridge New Silk Road idea.  So, I can say that what has happened in China — and people in the United States must really know about this — is the biggest economic miracle in history.  A bigger economic miracle than that of the postwar reconstruction of Germany.  What China has started to do is to export its own economic miracle of the last 30 years, which is gigantic.  China has now a very large middle section of the society — good income, good living standard; they have lifted more than 700 million people out of poverty.  Just now, President Xi said that the Chinese government is going to use the internet to help to lift the remaining 40 million or so people who are still living in poverty in rural areas, by organizing e-commerce for people in these rural areas to be able to sell their produce, their agricultural products.  This is typical Chinese that they would come up with something like that.  The idea is to eliminate poverty in China by the year 2020.

Now China has developed a new model of foreign policy, and that is really important that Americans familiarize themselves with that; because it is not that China is taking over like Bannon is saying.  That China is somehow threatening to take the position of the United States.  Some of you may remember that a couple of months ago there was a meeting in New York where the Chinese ambassador in Washington, Cui Tiankai, basically made a presentation where he said that there were 16 examples in history where one country would bypass the power which was dominant up to that point.  That in 12 cases it led to war; and that in 4 cases, the rising power just replaced the old dominant power. Ambassador Cui said that China wants neither the 12 cases where it went to war, not to repeat those examples; nor does it want to have the other four, because what China is offering is a completely new model of relations among states.  I want to go through this because I think it’s absolutely key.  China is proposing a new model of major powers, based on the absolute respect for the sovereignty of the other states, the principle of non-interference, the principle of the acceptance of another social model, and a win-win cooperation between the two of them. Now that is obviously what the relationship between the United States and China should become.  Then, another aspect of this Chinese new model is a new relationship to the neighbors of China.  This is already in effect with the ASEAN countries, with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization; it’s operational in the South China Sea, where countries which are neighbors recognize the benefits of mutual economic cooperation rather than geopolitical confrontation.

The third aspect, which is in one aspect the most important, is that China has developed a completely new model for relationships with the developing countries.  That is most visible in the African continent.  What the Belt and Road Initiative, the New Silk Road, has done in the four years since Xi Jinping announced it, has not only led to the largest infrastructure program in history where people are only debating whether it is 12 times as big as the Marshall Plan in the postwar reconstruction or 20 times.  Well, it’s open-ended; that’s the good thing.  It has completely changed the character of the African continent, because the Chinese have built railroads from Djibouti to Addis Ababa; they are now building railroads from Kenya and Mozambique all the way to Rwanda.  They have built many industrial parks, hydropower, irrigation systems; and now they are planning to have the largest infrastructure program ever — the Transaqua program — which would transform the entire continent of Africa for sure.

This is a new model of relations, and it is not based on geopolitics.  It has the idea of an alliance of perfectly sovereign nation-states; it is actually what John Quincy Adams had proposed when he was President of the United States.  That the United States should work toward an alliance of such sovereign states.  This is very important, because the spirit of having common development of the common good, to have a banking system which is devoted to investments in real economy like the AIIB — the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank — the new Development Bank of the BRICS, the Maritime Silk Road Fund, the Silk Road Fund, and similar institutions are already a parallel financial system.  So, if the United States would, as we say, end the casino economy, we go for Glass-Steagall, we write off the non-payable outstanding contracts, we write off the casino part of the economy, and we go to a Hamiltonian system of banking; that would perfectly fit in with the already existing New Paradigm of the New Silk Road.  This is not just an option; I think it is the only way how we will get out of this mess.

If you look at the rest of the so-called Western alliance, we just had an election in Germany which has completely shattered the situation.  What you see right now is, they had the Brexit — this was the vote of the British people against the EU, against a neo-liberal economic system which meant the rich would become richer and the poor would become poorer; the gap between rich and poor would widen.  That was continued with the election of President Trump; or rather, the defeat of Hillary Clinton.  It was continued with the No vote in the Italian referendum last December which aimed to change the constitution to make it more suitable for the banking system; and this was rejected by the Italian people.  Now, you have the German election.  I want to tell you, if you think Germany was a stable country, well, that is down the river.  The SPD, the Social Democracy, had the worst result since Bismarck.  The CDU lost; they are now at a miserable little bit more than 30%.  And Merkel was really only voted by about 29% if you really count all the votes.  This has led to a situation where the SPD rejected a continuation of the grand coalition, and they are now trying to put together an alliance between the CDU/CSU, the FDP, and the Greens.  But that is a very rocky road, because there are many opposing views on Russia, on the migrants, on the refugee crisis, on the power of the European Central Bank.  So, this may not lead to any big result in the near future, and it may even go into the beginning of next year; nobody knows if they will be able to form a government.

Now the biggest shocking element is that the right-wing populist party, the Alternative for Germany [afd], got 12.5% and is now the third-largest force in Germany.  In East Germany in Saxony, they became number one; they are now the strongest party in Saxony.  In all the other new states of the so-called GDR, the east states, they became the second largest party.  In that party, I’m not saying that all the people who voted are racists or Nazis, but you have some real evil Nazi types in there in leading positions.  Two-thirds of the voters voted for the AfD not because they like the AfD, but they wanted to teach the other parties a lesson.  But nevertheless, if you look at the fact that now in the east of Germany, they are now basically number one and number two; well, what does that mean?  It means that the entire post fall of the Wall structure of Germany has just disintegrated.  You have a big divide between east and west.  In the west they want to form the so-called Jamaica coalition, which is CDU, CSU, FDP, and Greens; but these parties are not represented in the east.  So, this is basically a big shock.  So, why did they get so many votes in the east?  I really think it is important to understand these causes, that it is essentially the same thing as what led to the defeat of Hillary Clinton.  What is the problem of this collapsing paradigm?  When the Soviet Union collapsed, the neo-cons in the United States together with the British decided to impose shock therapy.  They decided to smash Russia; to not allow Russia to remain a superpower, but to turn Russia into a raw material producing Third World country.  They implemented the shock therapy in Russia which in three years — from ’91 to ’94 — diminished the industrial capacity of Russia to one third.

They applied the same policy in the eastern part of Germany, which led to a complete devastation — privatization, and a depopulation of towns.  Young women would go into the west, you had towns which had only old people.  Naturally, a lot of economic anxieties went with it.  It was that effect of the neo-liberal shock therapy applied to East Germany which people sensed very much as an injustice; they felt sidelined.  So, you had cities in East Germany which are very nice looking now because they have been restored; historic buildings have been restored.  But if you look behind these nice facades, you see a lot of misery and a lot of disappointment.  This is why the refugee crisis hit so badly; this is why people in the East felt so much more threatened by the incoming refugee crisis.  Because they felt that these refugees would get things they were deprived of.  I’m saying this to just remind you that it’s not just the United States that is in a terrible economic situation; but the entire new liberal paradigm which has resulted into all these dramatic changes is what is still at work.  I said many times — I said it after the Brexit, I said it after the Trump vote — that this injustice will cause similar earthquakes until the injustice is remedied and replaced by a New Paradigm.

So, I think that we are at an absolute crossroads, where the principles which were at the absolute core of the American System, especially in respect to foreign policy expressed by John Quincy Adams, but more deep back in history where the principles of the Peace of Westphalia that foreign policy has to be in the interest of the other, and that must be the basis for any dealings with other countries.  Right now the situation is that with President Trump, you have the chance that the United States goes back to this policy.  President Trump is trying his best; he’s doing it, but he’s being disoriented because you have a lot of faction fights in the administration, and it’s not a settled question.  But everything depends upon the United States joining hands with Russia and China at this point, and if these three countries would get together, there is absolutely nothing, no problem which cannot be solved.

So I wanted to basically tell you:  Let’s use the time between now and November, to get the kind of mobilization in the United States and internationally, to get our countries on the course of joining with the New Silk Road and the new paradigm. The new paradigm is the idea that you put mankind of first, the interests of humanity first, and then national interests, and that you stop thinking in geopolitical terms altogether.  And I’m absolutely convinced, and this was the basis of the Schiller Institute, from its founding on, that if we do not change our foreign policy to such an approach, then the danger of elimination of mankind through thermonuclear war is very high as a risk.

We have right now an incredible moment of history and I actually want you to really grasp this moment, and let’s move mountains.  [applause]

SPEED:  OK! We got it.  Thank you very much, Helga.  We’re going to go to questions right away; Helga’s got about half an hour.  Line, keep your questions on topic, and turn off your cell phones, please.

I’m going to do the first question:  Helga, I want to talk to you about something pertaining to Puerto Rico and Haiti.  This is a book, which is called War against All Puerto Ricans; we know the author of the book and he was at one of our earlier meetings on the Silk Road, a small meeting, and he was sort of in a battle with one of our speakers whom you know — Patrick — and they were having a very peculiar battle.  The battle was about the Silk Road:  How could you have this large-scale perspective when a place like Puerto Rico had all these needs?

Right now we have a situation where Puerto Rico, of course, has been devastated, and Haiti is about to receive, assuming this all works, perhaps $30 billion from the Chinese, to rebuild Haiti — I think $4.7 billion for the city of Port-au-Prince.  Now, if you look at a map and you look at the Caribbean and you look at the possibilities that now suddenly happen, these two nations, which have been some of the two most oppressed — Haiti being the poorest in the Western Hemisphere — could be the basis of the kind of collaboration between the United States and China.

But there is a problem, and here’s what I wanted you to, if you could, address this:  The people who have been activists on these things for many years, are basically really mad.  They’re all enraged because of the racism and the other things that they’ve experienced. And so, when it comes to the moment of opportunity, what they will often do is introduce another list of denunciations, whether it’s of Trump or whoever, instead of realizing that the opportunity to change all this is right in front of you.

I wonder if you could, to say something of the issue of the poetic mentality, and about being able to get beyond the issue of rage, to see an opportunity and to calmly grasp it and to move history ahead?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  I think only in moments of extraordinary crisis can you really change history, because when develop is calm and steady then people don’t feel compelled to even consider that they should change something.  But when you have real tragedy striking, or an absolute disaster, then you can change. And we saw this in Texas, you’re seeing it in Puerto Rico, we saw it, for example, in 1945 in Germany when people started to realize that either you really go for fundamental values, which make sure that catastrophes cannot happen again, only then do you find people willing to change.  And I want to quote Albert Einstein, who said, you can never solve a problem with the method of thinking which caused the problem.

Puerto Rico should never have been in such a poor condition, and we saw what the Obama administration did in terms of putting debt on the state, putting a control board, imposing austerity — Puerto Rico is part of the United States!  And people should be proud that this is a moment to change it.

Now, people have forgotten what a crash program is — and I can see this in Germany.  When they repair a highway or some train, it takes them months and years, and they’re so slow, it’s almost like manual work. When the Chinese are building something, they’re doing it with an absolutely unbelievable speed. And Mr. Bannon is so wrong when he says the Chinese need to steal American technology to incorporate into their own economy, that has been, maybe the case at the early part of the industrialization.  But China has moved since a long time, to a completely different idea.  They want to be number one in terms of technologies; they do leapfrogging; they put total emphasis on the excellence of education of their young people.

They’re building railroads in half a year! I was in Lanzhou, in Dunhuang, two years ago, and I saw how they were building a railroad from Lanzhou all the way to Xinjiang in half a year. And how did they do it?  They didn’t continuously construct it, one piece after the other, but they built it in many places at the same time.  And I think that approach Americans can do, absolutely.  It’s just that they have forgotten the kind of crash program.

And people — I know it from Germany as well as from the United States — because of the paradigm of the last 50 years, we identified it many times with the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the cover-up of the Kennedy assassination; people have forgotten what it means to be an American.  In a similar way, the Germans have forgotten what the German method of effectiveness was, because their minds have been taken over by the green ideology, to the point that nothing functions any more, in the economy or otherwise.

But if people have their own vision and imagine that the crash program can be done like the Apollo program or the Tennessee Valley Authority program of FDR, the New Deal, — I mean, Americans have reference points in your history where that has been done.  And I think what is necessary is to evoke in this moment of crisis, love for your fellow citizens and love for mankind.  Because it is only when you look at the larger picture and understand that we, from the historical standard, are at a watershed, where an old epoch is just ending, an old epoch which was associated with the paradigm of imperialism, colonialism, geopolitics, world wars.  And that epoch is for sure potentially coming to an end, if we get the United States and the European nations to join hands with the Belt and Road initiative and apply the American System, which is really what the Chinese are doing, to the present situation.

But I think the subjective factor:  Don’t go about your business as usual.  Just feel a tremendous love for humanity, that we cannot tolerate that mankind should remain in its present miserable condition.  You have an opium epidemic, you have a drug epidemic, you have all these problems, and the only way you can solve it is by rising above and feel a  tremendous compassion, and then you will not tolerate the present condition, but you will have a tremendous desire to change it.

Q:  Good afternoon, Mrs. LaRouche.  My question is along the lines of blinds, deaf and dumb ignorance and the rise of antifa, and their supposed declaration that Nov. 4th is going to be the day they start the civil war in the United States of America.

To preface, I wanted to say that along with the Dennis, it’s a mind of rage and willful ignorance.  So how can we combat this? And how do we step forward as an organization, to circumvent or remain more safe while out doing our tasks?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  The antifa is really some phenomenon which we know from Germany; and as well, I even believe that the American antifa is absolutely copied from the German antifa.  And in that case, I can tell you, they are not a genuine organization, but they’re being used by oligarchy, by the neo-con establishment, and I think we have to do a better job in doing the intelligence on that.  Because almost every crisis spot, if you look at it, you find who is financing these things?  Soros.

Who is behind it in each case?  It’s some kind of a scheme, cooked up by the British way back.  For example, you have the explosion of separatism in Europe right now:  tomorrow you have a referendum in Catalonia in Spain, which could spark a huge crisis; it could trigger a euro crisis, it could spark a banking crisis, so we are right now looking into who is trying to destroy the nation-state?  And the common denominator is really the British Empire, because the idea that you have sovereign nation-states means the end of the imperial system. So one thing I think we urgently need to do, is do better intelligence of who is behind this antifa apparatus in the United States.

And I think the other major flank, is exactly the dossier we have produced about the special prosecutor Robert Mueller, which I think is an unbelievably powerful flanking weapon.  Because it demonstrates in an indisputable form, that the same apparatus which went after my husband and our organization in ’80s, putting him in jail — which I still think is the biggest injustice ever, because it deprived the American people of all of the beautiful ideas which would have made America a much happier place for the people to live in.  Then, the same apparatus was behind the cover-up of September 11th.  Think about all the battles you have been fighting there, with the families of the victims of September 11th. And then, this is the same apparatus which is going after Trump.

So I’m still waiting to hear some qualified responses from either legal experts, or the Trump apparatus, people who really understand the significance of this, that that is the apparatus behind the coup against Trump; and also the families should absolutely be aware of this, because I’m absolutely certain that if we get the Congress or the Senate, or some other legal authority to take some actual action on the basis of this dossier, it will go miles toward destabilizing the same apparatus which is behind this antifa.  Because the antifa beginning of civil war announcement is just the same part of the coup ongoing against President Trump.

So I would really encourage you to use this dossier as the best flank we have available right now.

Q:  Hi Helga, this is Daniel Burke.  My thought is about the other element of the coup, in other words, that there is the active efforts of Mueller to create some kind of situation where they can force Trump out of office, or into a weakened position, or various other elements of that type; and then, on the other side, it seems to me there’s also the people within the administration who might achieve a coup merely by getting Trump to back down on his stated policies; or, for example, perhaps most importantly at this point, to fail to take up the Four Laws as you began with them today and the emergency crisis.  And among the things that the President has to accomplish, in order to get us out of this crisis and into the new paradigm, would be to stifle those people within the administration, or kick them out, or whatever would be necessary.

I understand, we don’t necessarily have all of the intelligence that one might need in order to make judgments on this matter. But with the Mueller case being the feature of our efforts in the present moment, my question is, where might this go on towards?  In that we have people like Mnuchin or Gary Cohn, who perhaps are involved substantially in blocking the necessary measures. So I’m just looking for a way to think about this.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  I still think that the best approach is that we should really talk to as many people who have been leading campaign organizers for Trump during the election campaign. Because if these people both are equipped with the dossier, that they understand better where is the weak flank, and the cover-up of 9/11 is really one of the absolutely biggest open flanks of that apparatus; but at the same time, also, you have signs that Trump is considering the right things.  He says PPP does not function; you need Federal funding for these projects, including the large infrastructure promise he made for the United States. He said, the reconstruction of Puerto Rico will be the biggest ever.

Now, what does NBC make out of it?  They say, President Trump does not promise to rebuild infrastructure in Puerto Rico — that’s not what he said!  He said this will be the biggest ever, but he’s obviously struggling with the idea of how to do it.

One big help, obviously, was the video broadcast by Marcy Kaptur and Walter Jones, organized by the AFL-CIO, so I think there is a general awareness.  And I can only say, the warnings that the crash is imminent are huge!  The Adam Smith Institute says this is another crisis, an accident waiting to happen.  You have Die Welt, Spiegel, really mainstream media; the BISS, the European financial market supervision:  These are all absolutely mainstream elements.  Just yesterday, 15 leading economists from Germany and France made an urgent appeal that the crisis is imminent and that the governments must do something; naturally their solution is the wrong one because they call for more European Union, completely disregarding Einstein, who said, “insanity is if you do the same thing over and over, and think you will get a different result.”  These people just want to do more of the same, of what caused the problem — but the warnings that we are on the edge of a new financial blowout are everywhere.  So I think that the best thing to do is to multiply our warnings and solutions and do as much outreach as we can.

The thing is changing:  The lid is still on.  The mainstream and the establishment, they still try to pretend these things done exist, but there is an undercurrent, which is very strong. Like the New Silk Road, the EU is against it, they want to implement their old rules, but if you look at the rest of the European countries, the so-called 16+1 — these are the East European and the Central European countries plus China; the Balkan countries, Serbia, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, they all want to be hubs of the New Silk Road; not only concerning the Eurasian part of it, but they want to be the hub to Latin America, the hub to the Portuguese-speaking countries in Africa. Even Switzerland is completely on the Silk Road train, so to speak.  Austria is completely on a Silk Road orientation.  And in Germany, despite the fact that the government is so in line with the EU, you have right now in almost every city you have an event on the New Silk Road.  The chambers of commerce, the economic councils, they have Silk Road events everywhere.

So I think there is no way how this will be stopped and I think we have to just be optimistic and understand that this new paradigm is already winning.  It cannot be stopped.  Anybody, even from industrialists or Mittelstand entrepreneurs who have involved themselves to familiarize themselves with the dynamic of the  New Silk Road, they are all coming to the conclusion, this cannot be stopped, because it is so much in the interest of the people.  This is a model of economy which is in the interest of the people, as compared to the Wall Street model which is in the interest of the speculators and the banksters.

It is absolutely feasible to break this thing open, and I think the crisis right now lends itself to amplify that point. But I’m optimistic that we can win this battle:  I absolutely see the dynamic winning and taking over, and the people who were absolute opponents become turncoat and only the really hardcore oligarchs will oppose it. because everybody else who is not a moral moron, will see that this is so much more in the interest of the people than the present model, so I think we can absolutely crack it.

SPEED:  This will be our last question, and then I will pose a question which will also allow Helga to give her closing statement.

Q:  Good afternoon Helga, it’s Bruce from New Jersey.  I just wanted to bring up:  We’ve been talking about Puerto Rico, but Puerto Rico is just a prime example of what happens when you don’t upgrade and constantly build up your infrastructure. I live in New Jersey about a mile from a nuclear power plant, which, when Hurricane Sandy hit, very much like what’s very recently happened , where you had devastation in Puerto Rico, and other islands, places like Houston, or places like Florida, or where I am in New Jersey, were not affected as much because we had nuclear power plants aand we could bring them back online very quickly; you could do what you had to, to the electrical infrastructure  and you could start back on the road to recovery. Now, I’m not saying, in the case of Puerto Rico, that’s going to take some time, because it is so devastated; but I also remember back in 1970, I was stationed in Korea — Korea didn’t have anything, really, back in 1970.  Yet, from then to now, because of the economic policies they carried out, they built themselves into a huge economic power in the world, partly because of their application of nuclear technology as well as industrial policies. And that’s where we’ve really got to go for, like you were saying, the collaboration between Russia, China, the U.S. and other powers; that the ability to do that is there.  We have to find these areas of cooperation, like Russia just announced with the U.S. on this orbiting space platform for the Moon, or with China on similar kinds of policies: That this is a broader array of areas which are wide open for cooperation and development. I’d just like your thoughts on that.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  The examples of countries which have made such an economic miracle: South Korea is one of them, but it’s by far not the only one.  The New Silk Road spirit is something which, once people have caught it, it’s like an inspiration which completely changes the world outlook of the respective countries. In the last years, and especially this year, when I was in Beijing in May and also having other meetings in other conferences, there is a New Silk Road spirit.  You have now many other countries.

Now you would never have thought about it 10 years ago, because they were so-called “developing countries.”  And now because they have the example of China backing them up and providing them with credits  — you know, China has given an unbelievable amount of credits — now these countries are saying “we want to be a first rate country in 10 years, or in 20 years, or in 50 years.

So you have all these countries like Malaysia, Ethiopia, and many others, that say they want to be a full-fledged industrial nation in a  very short period of time.  What the New Silk Road policy has done and is doing, it is for the first time giving countries a perspective that poverty and underdevelopment can be overcome in the near future.  This did not exist in the colonialist period, it did not exist with the IMF conditionalities, but it does exist now, because of the alternative system of financing, the alternative system of investing in real economy instead of speculation.

And the Silk Road spirit us powerful!  It is something which I think can be injected in every other country.  And I think the best thing you Americans can do, it for the time being, don’t look at it from inside the United States.  Because if you look at it from inside the United States, it’s like looking at the German situation from inside Germany, and you get completely depressed because the institutions are most rotten, people are uninspired, they’re depressed, they don’t think that the future will be bright.  One characteristic is that in the United States and in Europe, people think for the first time that future generations will be worse off than them!  This is crazy!

But that’s not the case in other places, where people think for the first time that poverty will be overcome in a few years. This is a completely new idea!  And I think we just have to inject people with this kind of optimism, and therefore, my advice is to look at CGTN television, the Chinese Global Television Network: They have beautiful documentaries about railroad building in Nairobi, and all kinds of things.  And you get a sense that the rest of the world is working in a completely different way than inside the United States right now.

And I would not have kept my optimism in all of these battles, which were really several decades now with all of these ups and downs; and Dennis was mentioning the jail time of Lyn — I mean, there were really hard times when it was very difficult to keep up optimism.  But what kept me going all the time, was that I know that what we are doing is a policy based on the physical laws of the universe; that what we are doing in promoting scientific and technological progress, of having an image of man which is in cohesion with the creative forces in the Universe; that therefore, what we say is within natural law and our opponents are working against natural law and therefore they cannot succeed.

So you have to somehow develop a perspective which is not bound and not affected by your daily environment and your daily environment and daily experience, but you have to inform your vision about something else:  You have to have an idea where mankind should be in 100 years from now.  You should have an idea of what are the physical laws of this Universe, and why our opponents are just poor, opinionated idiots who cannot succeed.

I think if you take an international aspect as your reference point, you will be much better in a position to be an American patriot, because you are a world citizen first, and therefore you are affected by oppressive environments, and that is how I have been doing it — and that works, I can assure you. [applause]

SPEED:  Helga, I have a final question which is also by way of allow you to do your conclusion.  Next week, Liliana Gorini will be speaking with us, who is the head of our Italian organization, and speaking of looking outside of where you are from, that’s exactly what Nicholas f Cusa did, in what people mistakenly identify as what they call the “Columbus expedition” that happened. But in the course of the last week, I think it’s been Will Wertz, your colleague who was here with us three weeks ago — he and I were talking.  Will had written a book Toward a New Council of Florence, largely inspired by what you were doing at that time, in 1989, on a flank that I that I don’t think many people know anything about.

And here, I just wanted to report that what Will was able to find this week, was this letter between Paolo dal Pozzo Toscanelli, who was the chief astronomer of Florence, a great friend of Nicolaus of Cusa, and also of Brunelleschi, who built the great Dome; of Toscanelli talking to Fernando Martín, and what Toscanelli reports is that in 1432 or’ 33, he had a meeting in Rome with the Chinese ambassador, who had come to Rome. And there was a discussion about China and at the time, of course, they had the great navy and were doing the great navigations, so on; and besides the navy, they were a very advanced culture.

And from approximately that time, apparently, perhaps a little bit later, the idea of the mission to America was developed in which Cusa played a very important role.

So here’s what I wanted you do to, because most people here don’t know — a few of our members know — but that you spoke at the Vatican that year on the 550th anniversary; that you’ve continually emphasized since the ’70s, the role of Cusa.

So what did you do?  Why did you do it? And what implication does this have now, when we look at the U.S.-China-world collaboration — what implication does it have for your own idea about the World Land-Bridge and the New Silk Road?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE: The way I got to Cusa was mostly accidental: Because I was born in Trier, which is the oldest city in Germany; it’s more than 2,000 years old, and one of the local philosophers, so to speak, is Nikolaus of Kues, because he comes from Bernkastel Kues, which is less than a half-hour away by car. So when you grow up in Trier, you can’t help finding out about him.  And by starting to study Nicolaus of Cusa, this is one of the absolute towering giants of universal history.  I put him on the same level as Plato, Cusa, Kepler, Leibniz, my husband Lyndon LaRouche — there are very few people. And actually, just in parenthesis, we had a very beautiful contribution to the Festschrift for my husband’s 95th birthday, where a very important Chinese scholar said, that Lyn is on the same level, as he said, as Plato, Nicolaus of Cusa, Leibniz and Karl Marx, and Lyndon LaRouche; which I think is quite OK.  Karl Marx will have his 200th birthday next year and he comes also from Trier.

So, some of these things are accidental, but when we started, and I started to have a very deep interest in this period because I was looking at how was it possible that mankind would be able to overcome the Dark Age of the 14th century, which was really a terrible period.  Black Death, superstition, people went crazy because of the mass deaths from the Black Plague — people were really insane, which the paintings of Bruegel and Bosch portray very clearly.  But mankind was able to overcome that with the Italian Golden Renaissance, and this was in less than 100 years.

So I started to look at this period, to find out what is required when you are in a dark age, what is it that causes mankind to come out of it?  And I think this is a scientific question, and the work of Cusa was instrumental in more than one way, because he not only developed a completely new method of thinking, the coincidentia oppositorum, the coincidence of opposites thinking; and he was very aware that he was thinking something that no man had ever thought before.  But also, because he was steeped in the humanist education and scientific education of Padua, of meeting some of the Italian humanist scholars in the tradition of Dante and Petrarch, that he developed the idea that you have to go to the original writings of great thinkers. And in that capacity he travelled to Byzantium and he found some of the documentation of the early Councils of the Church, and he could prove that the split between the Greek Orthodox, and as a consequence also the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church that that schism was groundless.  Because in the early councils of the Church, you have the Filioque accepted by all: Namely that the Holy Spirit proceeds emanates from not only God the Father, but also God the Son (Filioque means “also from the Son”).

So he went to Byzantium, and found these writings, and that was the basis on which he could bring the entire delegation of the Greek Orthodox Church and all the scholars to the Council of Ferrara and the Council of Florence.  And that led, at least for a short period of time, to the unification of the Church.

What these Greek scholars called wisdom was the entire works of Plato, which had been forgotten for 1700 years after the demise of the Greek Classical period; Greek had vanished, the writings of Plato had vanished, people couldn’t read it any more; there were no scholars who knew about it.  But when the entire works of Plato arrived in Italy at that time, it led to an explosion.

I could say a lot more about this, but the basic point is that wherein you go back to the high points of culture, in that case the Greek Classical period, then you can make something new out of this.  And it was Nicolaus of Cusa who obviously was in contact with Toscanelli and he was aware of the maps, and these maps were used later on by Columbus.  And they had this project of  — they didn’t know that Columbus would find America, but they had the idea that there was another way to get to India and China.

So this all comes out of the same Renaissance spirit and therefore, if people attack Columbus right now, this is an outrage.  Because Columbus was not an imperialist who did away with native populations, but he carried the spirit of that Renaissance period, and obviously, the Chinese role at that point also is very important, because the famous Adm. Zheng He made seven big voyages, which brought him to essentially the same countries which now are the so-called Maritime Silk Road, and these were all peaceful voyages.  They were not imperial, they did not try to conquer, but they were an exchange of silk, of porcelain, of technologies, of various things, and I think this idea of a Maritime Silk Road, the discovery of America, the spirit of the Renaissance, these are all things which go back in history in this very long time, and therefore, it means that the real history of the United States is these high points of European civilization.

And that is why the Schiller Institute has been promoting from the very beginning, the reactivation of the high Classical periods of each culture.  Because I’m absolutely convinced, that the way we get out of this Dark Age now, is by reviving not only our own high point in culture, but also all the others.  The German Classical period, the Italian Renaissance, the Andalusian Renaissance, the Arab Renaissance, the Confucian tradition of China, the Gupta period of India, the Vedic writings — all of these high points of culture, if they are being revived and people know about each other, it leads to an end of chauvinism. I’m absolutely convinced, even Mr. Bannon, if he would know anything about the beauty of Chinese culture and Indian culture, and maybe even German culture, he would be a transformed period.

So let’s just work that these people can know about these things, because ignorance is the basis for hatred, and hatred of other nations is just the most stupid thing.  If you know the beauty of the other culture, you get excited, you find new universes opening up, you find discovery, you learn more, your mind is developing.  And I think that is what will be victorious over the present ignorance. [applause]

SPEED:  Thank you very much, Helga.  We know that you have a lot to do, and you also have somebody else there, in the general vicinity whom you have to get back to.  Please send our regards to the author of the Manhattan Project.  And as we said before, it’s an honor and pleasure to listen to you.  Thank you very much.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  Thank you!

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